Strategies For Dealing With Citi’s New Application Rule

Reposting this because this new rule is now in effect.

Update: New rules not in place until August 28th, 2016.

As we recently discovered and shared, Citi has added a new rule on eligibility for receiving a sign up bonus. Basically the new rule is that you can’t get a sign up bonus on a Citi credit card if you’ve opened or  closed a credit card that was the same ‘brand’ (e.g American Airlines, Expedia, Hilton or Citi TYP) within the past 24 months. Previously you were restricted to not being able to get the sign up bonus on a credit card if you’d opened or closed that card within the past 24 months.

A Practical Example

Let’s say that I applied and received the sign up bonus on the Citi Prestige card in January, 2015. In January 2016 I decide to close that card, I will not be eligible for any of the Citi ThankYou Points cards (only ThankYou Preferred, ThankYou Premier or Citi Prestige cards) for the next 24 months.

Strategies

Cancel Your Cards Strategically

Your ’24 month clock’ resets as soon as you cancel your card (I believe that downgrading a card will also reset this clock, but I’m not 100% sure). It might make more sense to keep a card open for an additional year (and pay the annual fee) so that you can get the sign up bonus on another card within that brand in a shorter period of time.

This is where having a good record keeping system in place is worth it’s weight in gold * 10,0000. You should be able to easily check when you opened cards, closed cards, reached the sign up bonus, received the sign up bonus (etc etc). Part of this strategy will be employing the fact that Citi offers generous retention offers (and their retention department recently reopened). These offers should lessen the impact of having to pay any annual fees.

When you do eventually apply for a new card within a brand, then it would make sense to cancel any other cards you have within that brand that you no longer want. This is because your clock has already been reset by opening a new card.

Focus On The Best Card From Each Brand

Because you’re limited to one card per brand 24 months after your previous card has been cancelled, you really need to choose what card you pick wisely. It’s not always going to be a clear cut choice, for example some people might prefer the Citi ThankYou Premier over the Citi Prestige (even assuming they both had the same sign up bonus) because of the lower annual fee and better earning rates. Others would prefer the inverse because of the better benefits on the Prestige.

Business Cards Are More Valuable

What’s interesting is that with the American Airline credit cards, the business card is considered separate from the personal card. That means I can get the business card even if I’ve opened or closed a personal American Airlines within the last 24 months. Unfortunately Citi doesn’t exactly have the biggest array of business credit cards, in fact they only have two:

  • CitiBusiness / AAdvantage Platinum Select card: 50,000 mile sign up bonus
  • Costco Anywhere Visa Business Card By Citi: No sign up bonus

Look For Offers Without This Language

I’m almost positive that there will be some way to get at least some of these offers without this restriction in place. Co-branded partners (e.g American Airlines) would surely want the ability to target select passengers and consumers for cards without these restrictions in place. We’ve seen this with both American Express & Chase to at least some extend and I’m sure we’ll see it with Citi.

I would think that mail offers that were sent out before this changed wouldn’t have this new rule applied to them, as it wouldn’t be on the flyer but double check any online application the flyer is tied to to make sure.

Final Thoughts

As always, credit card issuers and financial institutions in general are focused on their bottom line. It’s our job to adapt our strategies when they impose new rules and try to maximize our own returns, it’s really a game of cat and mouse and I don’t plan on getting eaten. This new rule definitely sucks, but let’s try to be proactive as a community and come up with solutions rather than solely focusing on the problem.

I’m certain that there is a lot more that I’m missing, if you have any other ideas on strategies/tips/tricks/whatever feel free to share them in the comments. At this stage I fully expect the remaining card issuers with no hard rules in place to add them in the near future as well, as people continue to shift more applications to those cards and they feel the heat.

 

 

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Nit
Nit (@guest_293246)
September 9, 2016 07:42

Statement for Citi executive just closed and 60k bonus posted. Thanks Doc.

JIll
JIll (@guest_291737)
September 5, 2016 00:01

If I already have a Citi branded card, and haven’t opened or closed one for the same brand in the past two years, is there any concern Citi will ask why I need the second card? Seems like this might be difficult to convince them of the “need”.

farsighted99
farsighted99 (@guest_291554)
September 4, 2016 08:39

Personally, I’ve never churned credit cards. I can’t believe these credit card companies are implementing these difficult rules. I really don’t think this is going to work well; I’m convinced that the rules will be different after a year or so this kind of stuff.

I think people who open more than one account (like say having two or three Prestige accounts (for example) in the same name shouldn’t be allowed more; or people who have cancelled their cards after earning their bonus, and then applying again for the same card and bonus should be restricted…

however, I hardly ever close an account until I’ve used it for awhile (unless it’s one of those $450/per year cards).. I also try and use all my cards.

I am, however, considering cancelling my Prestige account when my year comes up because of the fact they dropped the American airline lounge privileges. Unless they drop the cost of that card, I just can’t justify paying for that one any longer. Unless they give me some kind of retention bonus.

When I cancel this card when the year rolls around, I won’t be able to sign up for another American Airlines card for 2 years. That’s crazy.

The way these credit card companies are going after customers, I can’t see them limiting people to 5 applications in two years. What if you want to get a store credit card? Say, Best Buy? Does that count against you? And what happens if/when you get turned down? Used one up for nothing?

This is stupidity. They are not going to get a lot of new customers with these rules….

ken enright
ken enright (@guest_290234)
August 31, 2016 16:52

hey
I applied aug 25 for the hilton reserve after getting the hhonors card about a month ago I did this in order to beat the aug 28 deadline.I just received the card today and there was no language concerning the 2 weekend nights. My citi aa cards always mentioned 50,000 points with $3000 when the card arrived. Should this be considered a bad sign concerning the free night bonus.
Thanks . I appreciate any info you could provide.

Ken enright

Elaine
Elaine (@guest_289724)
August 30, 2016 10:36

I have aan AA personal and would like to apply for the AA business. The language says: This card is not available if the business already has a CitiBusiness® / AAdvantage® Platinum Select® World MasterCard® account. Bonus miles and any additional special offer not available if you have had any CitiBusiness® / AAdvantage® account opened or closed in the past 24 months.

Am I out of luck?

Elaine
Elaine (@guest_290160)
August 31, 2016 12:22

Hmm…will give it a shot. Also want to apply for the US Bank Flexperks. Should I do both at approx the same time? I used to do Apporamas all the time but haven’t in the last year or two and with all the tightened rules, it sounds like the landscape has changed a lot.

marty dee
marty dee (@guest_289560)
August 29, 2016 22:02

are the hilton points and 2 weekend certificates considered different?

mishyq
mishyq (@guest_289557)
August 29, 2016 21:31

Doc, do you know if Citi has a hard rule of rejecting folks having >6 inquiries in past 6 months? I dont see this being mentioned here https://www.doctorofcredit.com/12-things-everybody-should-know-about-citi-credit-cards/

Also, does targeted mailer from Citi guarantee/almost guarantee approval?

Justin Pope
Justin Pope (@guest_289588)
August 29, 2016 23:03

Forgot to link the reddit thread if you want to parse through the anecdotal DPs:

https://www.reddit.com/r/churning/comments/506ya4/citi_finally_seems_to_be_tightening_up/

Justin Pope
Justin Pope (@guest_289587)
August 29, 2016 23:02

There’s a thread going on Reddit about it, kinda lengthy.

Short answer: It sounds like if you’re had 6 pulls in 6 months from a single bureau they will rejected you. But ironically, if they pull multiple bureaus they use the smallest number. And if they only pull one bureau initially, in recon they sometimes will preemptively even offer to pull a different bureau for you, to help you get approved.

The 1/8 and 2/65 are hard rules. The 6 HPs in 6 months sounds more like guidance, IMHO.

mishyq
mishyq (@guest_289757)
August 30, 2016 11:54

ok. thank you! yes. indeed my question to Doc was based on what i read on the reddit link earlier (and somewhere else too, cant remember where)

but the reddit link is already shared by you with Doc.

bob
bob (@guest_289443)
August 29, 2016 16:34

So since personal and business cards are different products, can i still apply for both personal and business AA cards even today and can get bonuses for both of these cards, despite the 24 months rule in effect?

If yes, what is best strategy to apply for these 2 cards (Citi AA Personal and Citi AA Business)?

Should i apply on same day to take 1 hit on credit report (both inquiries will be merged as 1 right?)

OR

Apply for both of them 8 days apart?

Preacher
Preacher (@guest_289358)
August 29, 2016 11:20

So is this the play now, post-Aug. 28? If you have multiple “AA family” cards, and you cancel one of them to not pay the AF when no retention offer is made available, should you then cancel all of your AA cards to get the 24 month clock rolling? Especially if you have the Aviator card which will still get you the free bag/10% back bennies?

That’s what I’m thinking, but just wanted to check with the experts first to see if I’m missing anything in this picture!

Geoff
Geoff (@guest_292553)
September 7, 2016 10:39

Aviator Red is a Barclay’s card, not Citi. Are they checking for AA Family cards with other banks when enforcing this new policy? Gawd, I hope not! Hilton is another case, with Citi and Amex cards.

Austin
Austin (@guest_289335)
August 29, 2016 09:58

So I got the prestige card earlier this year. Does this new rule means if I want the premier card I have to wait 24 months before I can apply to get the bonus whenever they add one back to it?

Chuck
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Chuck(@chucksithe)
August 29, 2016 10:10

Yes