The U.S. Department of Transport has issued an order that will block Chinese airlines from flying into or out of the United States from June 16th, 2020. This is in response to China’s aviation regulators limiting foreign carriers to one flight per week based on frequency levels from March. Both Delta & United Airlines requested the ability to resume flights to China starting June 1st but these requests have not received a response.
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Comments have now been closed as people are just talking in circles.
Who are the happiest? People who live in China and now will be at even lower risk as fewer potential coronavirus carries from a country out of control.
Then why you live in a miserable place such as the US? Why don’t you just go back to your happy place? Why? Is it because you cannot afford the flight fare, or because your fellow Chinese people rejecting you and treating you like virus? It is laughable that so many little pinkies here defend a government who never treat them as human beings. Guess what, when you go back China that is isolated from the civilized western world, you will lose not only the pleasure of getting credit card deals, but also your basic human rights.
That guy? Check. Racist? Check? Wannabe tough guy? Check. Hates life? Check.
so you actually believe China handled the virus well and that they are having less than 5 cases per day on average, in the entire country of China? Hmmm
I’m 100% certain they handled it better than what we did in the United States.
What alternative reality do you believe?
It’s helpful to maintain a healthy dose of skepticism of official reports, but not just of another government that our politicians and media portray as an enemy. Plenty of sources point to the US case and death counts being significantly understated, too. Even in Taiwan, who has received endless praises for its success at containing the disease, some citizens speak of the government hiding data from light.
Especially because China has a far-reaching authoritarian government, I believe they are more likely to have the disease under total control than any democratic country. I’m sure the government is hiding some data, too, but it’s highly improbable that China will ever be on par with the US in terms of how disastrous the disease is wrecking havoc.
what I can tell you is that when Chinese Gov told people to stay home, they stay home.
No grocery purchasing (delivery only), no dog walk, no walk on the trail or go to the park, no to-go order at the restaurant. No unauthorized province border cross.
Bank is closed, autoshop is closed, highway is closed, train station is closed. Only left certain grocery stores, pharmacy stores, and hospitals open.
Will US Gov do all of these? Will US citizens comply with these? Then you think about the number again.
It’s gonna resume at some point. Unnecessary blocking of people transfer between two most populous countries is just insane and futile.
Currently, you really can’t blame Chinese with we having 2 million cases and 100k death, lol.
It’s not “the two most populous countries.” US is number 3, after India.
They probably had/have more in China right now. Why believe anything an authoritarian communist government says.
China’s official counts stopped at around 80k. The number is likely understated for a few reasons, but I’d have no doubt that they got the disease well under control because the country opened back up way before Europe or North America could think about it.
Now, for the conspiracy theorists, China’s “real” number of cases would need to 25x higher than the official counts to exceed US’s total, or 75x higher to exceed US’s per-capita rate. You would be giving the authoritarian government too much credibility if you think they are able to hide such numbers.
On top of that, it’s been widely acknowledged that the US numbers are well understated as well…
This comment is totally wrong for three reasons. First, we are discussing the equal treatments between the Chinese and US airlines. You cannot just allow your airlines operates while denying other countries’ airlines. It is fundamentally unfair. But you pretend not seeing this. Second, the vast majority, if not all, of travelers are Chinese citizens. Do they have a right to go back to their own country? Do they have a right to blame whoever rejects or sets a high barrier to their home return plan? Third, there has been total blockage between China and US for decades from 1950 to 1972. Just because you are too ignorant to know the history does not prevent history from happening again.
Guys,
Think about how will you feel if U.S. close the land entry port between Canada and forbid U.S. citizen to go home. This is what happens in China and its port to Russia for months.
Majority of Chinese People think this is a correct and smart decision. It’s those Chinese citizen’s fault in Rassia.
As a US citizen, your opinion?
It’s inaccurate. There should be a port of entry open with a 30-seat shuttle bus running once a day so the government could say that they are not banning their citizens from going home.
SO, in case some of us ( I guess actually the majority) can’t recall how the whole things happened all the way to this point, I’ll provide a quick timeline here ( very long, yet should be very helpful): In Jan, the COVID-19 pandemic started in Wuhan and quickly spread across the whole mainland China, also leaked through international flights to the whole world ( I’m Chinese YES, but I won’t deny that it first HAPPENed in China, though it’s in the WILD and NO LAB is accountable/responsible for it). Looking back, it’s a good move that US suspended entry of non-citizen/PR people staying in China for the last 14 days before landing. Then due to the fed gov and labor union’s pressure, UA/DL/AA and other airlines decided to suspend service to China mainland. Effective around the beginning of Feb. Then it comes to Mar 12, when the CAAC (Civil Aviation Administration of China) decided to limit international flights servicing to China to help control the spread of COVID-19 from external sources, as by then domestically it had been well contained and things are moving towards massive reopening. Some of you may have learned about the “5 ONEs” policy from CAAC, meaning one airline is only able to operate one route to China, from one city in one country, on a weekly basis. To be short, one weekly flight to China with a specific departure city, by one airline. All about ones and limitations. This is BASED ON the international flight schedules available to CAAC as of Mar 12, when DL/UA/AA was still suspending service and busy seeking help from fed gov and FRS, having little interest in reestablishing service to China. As time goes on, it comes closer and closer to graduations for many universities and colleges, and a lot of (under)grads are in need of flights back to China, or they may run out of the 60-day grace period after the expiration of I-20 very soon, as the flights are available every 7 days. So demands went up dramatically, but flights are still VERY LIMITED!!! Lots of us had to seek flights with over 2 connections, and some even encountered denial of boarding at a connecting airport. Some even experienced a total of over 80hrs on the way. 80+ HOURS!!! Thx to the 5 ones! We as citizens going back to home!!!!! The US never stopped people from EU when the US people needed it! When it comes to May, DL/UA found that money from the FRS and fed gov was running out quickly, so new ways must be found. As news cases have been stably around just ten-ish daily over the whole country, China was much safer then, if not one of the safest. Service to China is heatedly demanded, and low risk, so why not go for it? So did DL & UA. But the problems are that: 1. DL & UA requested daily service to China, which are significantly violating the “5 ones” policy; as… Read more »
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The majority of Americans have no problem with Chinese students studying in America. The issue is the Chinese government handling of the virus and lack of transparency due to protecting its own image and power.
Most Chinese students just want to study and improve their lives, but they are still being watched by the Chinese government while overseas. And students can be pressured to acquire technology or research by the Chinese government – if you are asked, will you say no to the communist party? They will make your life and your family’s life difficult and you know that. You are a victim of that power, and we are living with consequences of two very different systems.
Agreed bro, thx for your objective words.
I’m not good enough to be ever asked for that, so for that part I’ll keep shut; but Chinese gov is very “powerful”, and we don’t always feel nice of it.
As for the virus, I believe you’re not thinking about multiplying by 10x or 100x right😅? But the idea gets some points there…….We’re used to that kind of thing, like you guys here were kinda used to police’s excessive enforcement, previously.
NOW, People here have stood up for Mr. Floyd, which moved and impressed me so much.
As for us? Emmm, you know about that right?🙄 (can’t say more or I’m doomed when I get back home🤣)
It is May 35th today…
lol, didn’t mean that, but you got the spirit.
Keep shut and you’re safe. Kinda, emmm, you know…….
I think you are overestimating Chinese students. About 80% of Chinese students in the US are Undergraduate and Master students. We are just get trained here for a better job opportunity. And the majority of Ph.D. students are also seeking the same thing. Even for those real research enthusiasm, they are just doing research on this better platform and publishing their results for better academic reputations. Their work will become public anyway.
Those sensitive and secret national labs and research groups are not open to foreign researchers at all, no matter which county you are from. They put the citizen requirement at the hiring post. There might be scientists in companies taking the commercial or technology secrets to their new employer (if it’s in China) but in the academic area, I don’t see a very good chance you can make it.
BTW, don’t think the Chinese government that evil and unprofessional. If they do spy, they have the technology and trained agent to do it. Threatening students to do it? That’s too risky…
Agreed. Most Chinese scholars / grad students in US want to publish their research work and get reputation, rather than getting “secrets” which they probably don’t have access to anyways, and sending them back to China. You gotta see that it is more of political needs of the administration that they condemn Chinese students.
This. The whole steal technology thing is ridiculous. I assume every country probably will have spies to each other; but students? I guess extremely unlikely.
Like you said, most sensitive area already bans non-citizen/permanent resident or require clearance that even some citizens won’t qualify for, so this is just manufactured fear and ways for politicians to influence the public (and is done by both parties)
What a ridiculous and offensive name you have, GuiltByAssociation.
If individuals are guilty of whatever their country of origin is associated with, those of us with US passports can’t travel anywhere abroad and be treated like assholes who still embrace our slave-owning legacy.
I’m no fan of the Chinese Communist Party either. But think about the shit CIA and other American agencies have done and imagine being associated with them.
1) it started in November or earlier, not January.
2) Pretty sure the lab thing has more evidence than the “wild” at this point…
Can’t trust anything coming out of China as they censor everyone and people disappear if they try to speak out. China, just like the World Health Organization have lost all their credibility. Its tarnished forever.
It’s all about business and profit. No eternal enemy
China actually allowed foreign airlines “one flight one week”, and Chinese airlines have to follow the same policy. However Trump want the flights to be daily and ban Chinese airlines seeking a better deal.
Art of Deal!
In detail, if one flight has more than 5 people detected positive for the virus, then the flight will be postponed for one week, and if more than 10, then for 4 weeks. Actually considering the current COVID-19 cases over the world, China’s policy is quite smart.
Why? The only people who are eligible for entering China right now are its own citizens or a tiny little bit of foreigners who got their visas after late March. Basically this policy = limit citizens returning to China, so it’s not about airlines at all. Same thing happened when Chinese tried to go back via Russia-China border, they shut down the border in that area all together.
You should know that the majority of COVID-19 cases in New York are due to the large amount of US citizens coming back from Europe after the travel ban, and now in New York State at least 20k people died, not even mention New Jersey. Lesson is already here, why can’t China learn?
If only the situation is the simple cause and effect as you indicated. No country has closed its border to citizens while many have evacuated mass from overseas, from India to German, all with widely different degree of infection as results. Frankly I would totally understand in that case because the whole situation would be a real life trolley dilemma. But it’s not, and that’s why they are not ballsy enough to blatantly deny entry of its citizens and instead need this camouflage.
No China changed course hours after Trump released the statement, allowing ALL foreign airlines that weren’t approved to operate flights to resume limited one flight per week service.
No it’s not Trump, there is an agreement between US and China about airlines going way back without any major problems for 4 decades. That’s where the claim comes from.
As a Chinese, I would say this is actually a complicated problem caused by airlines, Chinese government and the US government. But the travellers are always victims. And the Chinese government has been criticized by us for its airline policy so this can actually be a good thing since it will force US and China to negotiate.
I have warned the danger of covid-19 and why masks are important in a post on DOC in early Mar and got a quite a lot upvotes. I have to say again that not everything about China is as bad as the US press says, attacking China is actually one of the the only things that Rep. and Dem. can reach an agreement. Having two different parties doesn’t mean that one of them has to be right. It’s like both coca cola and pepsico tell you drinking soft drinks can cure cancer.
Your second paragraph is unnecessary and misleading. First, “China” and “the Chinese government” are two very different concepts. It seems that you cannot tell the difference. For the starter, the Chinese government never truely represents the interests of Chinese people. That’s why you and many Chinese citizens are the victims of their travel policy right now. Where is the “Warrior Wolf” who are supposed to take these poor Chinese citizens trapped oversea back to China? Second, your cola/pepsi analogy is irrelevant to the bipartisan critiques on Chinese Government, for the same reason why mentioning your covid-19 comment adds nothing to this discussion and does not support your point even a tiny bit.
Until you are able to look at the facts and logic what the critiques on the Chinese government are actually about, for your own interest, please refrain from discussing these politic topics that you do not really understand. If you really want, find some other place like Twitter, Facebook. I come here for deals, not your biased political opinion that actually hurts you.
Well. This is not a deal post, why are you here? It is more biased and political when people like you keep digging errors like “China” and “Chinese government”, and use word like “Warrior Wolf”.
People who can actually think know that I post this to avoid mislead.You? Hope you enjoy your life in hatred.
Enjoy your $30k direct-flight fare to China. Soon, this price will be a deal in dream. The fact that you cannot understand why you end up in this kind of bad deal, is the problem. By giving you a hint, I am helping you and myself in a hope to get a better deal. It seems that I failed. Sad!
LOL, you are the arrogant person that talks about topics that you don’t understand.
Little Pinkie, you show you true color. Enjoy your $30K flight to China. You can thank your government for that.
sounds like you are a Chinese student who cannot afford to buy the expensive ticket~~~~~
This is the only comment you have made, there are several possibilites, 1. You are not part of this community. 2. You only take, never give. 3.You know that what you say is inappropriate so you use a new account. I don’t know which one is better, your choice.
No. This is not. Obviously, you cannot count. So, for your own good, please do not say more things that embarrass yourself.
Bias opinions usually come from ignorance. If you never go to China, you may have more bias than others. 🙂
Assuming I never go to China reflects your ignorance and arrogant attitude, like your foreign minister. I am a Chinese and I am proud of my heritage, but I am not a fan of your government. As a Chinese, you can be both. How hard for you to understand this? You do not have to defend a government that you did not elect, unless you are from Family Zhao? Haha
oh i made the correct prediction!!!! you are a Chinese student who cannot afford to buy the expensive ticket~~~~~
You poor FaLongGong people.
This troll needs to be removed.
Which one?
Good; better to try to hold China down before their threatening sphere of influence goes beyond saber rattling around Southeast Asia & hopefully ending its colonialism adventure in Africa.
Hope the rest of the world joins in.
colonialism adventure in Africa… Interesting, who started the colonialism there first?
Well not the U.S. which is the other party in this discussion…… but I’m not even understanding the logic – because Europeans colonized Africa no one should criticize China for doing so now? Should they also be allowed to engage in the slave trade because that was done in the past by others?
Yes, let’s completely ignore Liberia, which was specifically founded as a place to get rid of free blacks from the US. Let’s ignore all of the military bases in Africa that the US operates to this day. Ignore the huge slave trade that the US made lots of money off of. Yup, “not the U.s.”, just like you said.
Liberia was a private venture by a society of abolitionists not a government entity.
Is the existence of a military base itself indicative of colonialism?
Yes, no one can defend the slave trade; luckily it was outlawed 212 years ago.
But again the whataboutism to defend China’s Africa police is strange at best
And again, ignorance of Liberia and the US government’s heavy influence and support. That’s official US government influence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberia%E2%80%93United_States_relations
Yes, the existence of a military base is indicative of colonialism. It doesn’t mean it’s a guarantee, but yes, it is indicative.
And even though the slave trade was outlawed that long ago, its effects are still very clearly felt today.
On whataboutisms, right, whatever. You can’t even read my other comments on this post. You’re being pathetic. The stranger thing is that you want to ignore the past injustices. My solution is to criticize all bad actions, no matter who did them. Your solution is to ignore the US’ bad actions and only criticize China.
What do you mean by ‘colonization’? Like trafficking Africans to America? I don’t think the Chinese are interested in doing this. But certainly, someone’s ancestors did this.
China built roads and buildings for Africans to trade for resources it needs. What did the western world do during the last 200 years for Africans?
After all, it is Africans who decide whether or not China is colonizing Africa. Not Trump and Pompeo.
this is full of all sorts of odd takes;
– no, colonization does not just mean slavery, not sure where you got that info? (Nor is buying slaves from local traders colonization regardless of how abhorrent it is – luckily it was outlawed in 1808).
– European colonizers built many roads, railroads & buildings – I guess Africans decided this as well?
You’re free to continue to support China’s current ambitions but you’ll also be on the wrong side of history by doing so.
It would’ve been best if other countries had ended their colonialism long ago, including when China was being colonized by countries like the UK and France, especially with horrors like the opium trade.
And that’s my point. I am decidedly against China and its actions in Southeast Asia. However, whataboutism is compelling for a reason. You can’t just build your own country based on repression of others and then start telling other countries hey, don’t do what we just did even though we’re not even apologizing for it. Being able to move forward means recognizing the bad things your own people have done as well.
“sorry black man, see those successful European cities? Yea, those were built in part by exploiting you. Now China wants to do the same & it’s only fair that they now be allowed exploit you to assist in their ambitions.”
Your post was so stupid.
Your solution is to ignore when the US and European countries profit off of exploitation and whine when China tries to do the same. My solution is to call out EVERYONE, China, US, and anyone else, whenever they try to profit off of exploitation.
You’re pathetic.
Man, learn by yourself, not by what you are told.
You should read a history book given a person who’s the same color as old ben kenobi started colonialism
And? Is China colonialism ok because white Europeans did it in the past?……,you realize how daft that sounds?
Funny and ignorance. Lol
Actually one flight per week per airline rule applies to All airlines ( including Chinese airlines ). However, United requested sfo/ewr-pvg and sfo-pek ‘DAILY’, Delta requested dtw/sea-icn-pvg ‘DAILY’.
American first right？
Cool… not only tech is bifurcating, but airlines are too.
One election and globalization turned into jingoism.
RIP a better standard of living.