[Terms Reversed] American Express Expands Cash Advance Definition Again (Precious Metal Coins & Bullion)

Update 10/4/21: American Express is now reversing this decision effective October 1, 2021. We’ve updated our post on Best Cards for U.S. Mint Coin Purchases. Hat tip to Travel With Grant

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American Express recently expanded the definition for what codes as a cash advance to include digital currency and digital precious metals products starting November 1, 2020. The definition will be further updated starting January 15, 2021 to include precious metal coins and bullion:

Effective January 15, 2021, we are updating this sub-section to add precious metal coins and bullion to the definition of Cash Advance in your Cardmember Agreement.

I guess that means no more mint deals to help meet minimum spend requirements.

Hat tip to kiwi0panda

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Tim
Tim (@guest_1263789)
October 8, 2021 00:25

I had two purchases post from the Mint:
One on 9/29 – no rewards
One on 10/4 – rewards posted.

Exact same charge amount

Guy who buys stuff
Guy who buys stuff (@guest_1261544)
October 4, 2021 13:24

“Effective April 15, 2022, we are updating this sub-section to add durable goods, food products, fuel, and travel-related purchases to the definition of Cash Advance in your Cardmember Agreement. Thank you for using our valuable benefits.”

Blah Blah
Blah Blah (@guest_1261687)
October 4, 2021 17:46

Also guns and ammunition purchases.

Slaven
Slaven (@guest_1261531)
October 4, 2021 13:00

PSA: Cash advance is different then cash equivalent.

I Tried reaching out to customer service for definitive answer on whether or not US Mint coins are considered a cash equivalent, but not successful.

Given the conflicting answers, I would still be hesitant to buy coins from US Mint in order to reach the SUB on Amex, as cash equivalents are NOT considered eligible purchases.

Blah Blah
Blah Blah (@guest_1261690)
October 4, 2021 17:47

If you buying coins with denomination on it, or uncut currency, they might have a case. If you are buying medals with no denomination on it, then legally it is not cash equivalent.

artgriego
artgriego (@guest_1262277)
October 5, 2021 19:24

Yeah if anything the cash advance is the face value of the coin :’) Can’t see it any other way.

Mike
Mike (@guest_1261830)
October 4, 2021 21:43

I’ve been buying $ denominated mint products on my biz blue cash for the last 2 years without any cash advance issues. Just fyi

b
b (@guest_1261527)
October 4, 2021 12:51

First favorable change from Amex since like forever.

P
P (@guest_1261511)
October 4, 2021 12:25

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Slaven
Slaven (@guest_1261490)
October 4, 2021 11:51

Does this mean that can use US mint Coin purchases to reach even the SUB on Amex ?

Andy
Andy (@guest_1261463)
October 4, 2021 11:10

Looking forward to your post next year when they recategorize Mint purchases as CA and claw back all the points.

Just kidding, I don’t really think they’re going to do that. But they’ve probably already checked with their lawyers to see if it’s legal.

Tsarinax
Tsarinax (@guest_1261460)
October 4, 2021 11:02

It’s a shame the Mint makes it so difficult to switch cards. I’d be happy to switch over the morgan dollar deals that are supposed to ship this month but they are all tied to a BofA card already.

I was successful like some others in putting a 5k+ charge on a co-branded card and received points/had it treated like regular spend for the second part of a SUB.

I’m glad Amex made this change, it really made no sense that collectibles should be charged as a cash advance.

TB
TB (@guest_1261540)
October 4, 2021 13:10

Use PPK

Tsarinax
Tsarinax (@guest_1261652)
October 4, 2021 16:15
  TB

Amex doesn’t work with PPK

Jack
Jack (@guest_1261440)
October 4, 2021 10:46

Good, some of us want to buy gold rounds with the Gold Card, Platinum coins with the Platinum Card, and centurion bullion with the Centurion Card.

Zalmy
Zalmy (@guest_1237782)
August 11, 2021 16:40

I’ve made several coin orders with the mint over the last month using various Amexes, including a 5K+ transaction, and received points (and no fees) just fine.

Also, I met minimum spend on 2 cards (one SUB, one an AU bonus) without a hitch.

A M
A M (@guest_1261432)
October 4, 2021 10:36

Id spend them points ASAP. AMEX is known for claw backs