Large Merchants Want The Right To Reject High Cost Premium Rewards Credit Cards

The WSJ  is reporting that large merchants such as Amazon & Target want the right to be able to reject some premium rewards credit cards that carry high processing fees. Currently if a merchant accepts Visa or Mastercard they have to honor all cards that run on that payment network. Large merchants want to be pick and choose what cards are accepted, this because the fees involved in accepting these premium cards can be as high as 3% where as other cards are in the 1-2% range.

Recently a number of large merchants opted out of $6.2 billion settlement with Visa, Mastercard and some card issuing banks over swipe fees. Believing that they will be able to negotiate a better payout individually. Regarding possible changes to the ‘accept all cards rule’ the following statements were made:

“If a merchant agrees to accept Mastercard, there cannot be any discrimination between different issuers’ cards or between different types of cards issued by one financial institution,” a Mastercard spokesman said.

“Visa believes consumers should always have a choice in how they pay, including being allowed to use their Visa credit card regardless of the card type or issuer. When consumer choice is limited, nobody wins,” said a Visa spokeswoman.

Final Thoughts

If merchants are successful in getting the the ‘accept all rule’ changed then it almost certainly spells bad news for those with premium credit cards. Card issuers and payment networks have been able to offer increased rewards and benefits on these cards precisely because of the increased interchange fees charged. That being said I think this has the potential to be a nightmare for consumers and smaller card issuers as well, what if merchants decide to stop accepting cards from smaller card issuers entirely? How are individual consumers to know where each card is accepted?

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ada cooper
ada cooper (@guest_651547)
October 4, 2018 11:45

The only way we as consumers can combat this is to not shop at stores where they don’t let us use our rewards cards. Of course, greedy Americans will never do this. They gotta have their stuff.

mift
mift (@guest_648205)
September 26, 2018 19:52

Three player game: merchant, middleman, customer. Which one is the sucker?

David
David (@guest_648056)
September 26, 2018 16:05

Wont happen. If cards cave-in at all the will simply make the average card fee across all cards. We all know that when we make an order they aren’t going to reject orders saying “We accept Visa, but not THAT Visa”

frogger
frogger (@guest_648015)
September 26, 2018 15:08

The funny thing is this won’t save them any money. As they have competitors. If they have lower fees so will their competitors. So their competitors will just lower their prices for whatever they save.

Blue
Blue (@guest_647961)
September 26, 2018 14:07

I don’t see any way merchants actually start denying one Visa or MC over another.

Atul
Atul (@guest_647949)
September 26, 2018 13:39

I see retailer point as well. Higher cost for certain, specific card results in unpredictable card processing fees, saving on this front would eventually result in better prices.May be I am too wishful.

Amazon should simply create a wallet where you link and load it from your bank account an get 4-5% off straight.This would cut the middleman.

ThaigerNation
ThaigerNation (@guest_647967)
September 26, 2018 14:14

AMZ currently gives you 2% bonus when you reload your ‘wallet’ via ACH

Lrdx
Lrdx (@guest_648062)
September 26, 2018 16:33

They already do that. You can load your Amazon account by ACH and get 2% extra.

Target has the debit card that is practically allowing Target to pull funds from your bank account directly. It gives 5% off.

MickeyMouse
MickeyMouse (@guest_647934)
September 26, 2018 13:21

I really don’t see this as being an issue for Target and Amazon though as the Premium Rewards Cards don’t usually get used there. Who’s going to use CSP/CSR at Target/Amazon and only get 1ppd when they can get 5% off using a Target RedCard or even 1.5% using FU then transfer that to CSP/CSR???

Jags
Jags (@guest_647942)
September 26, 2018 13:31

FU is no different than CSR. Visa Signature/Visa Infinite are both “top tier” when it comes to fees charged to merchants.

MickeyMouse
MickeyMouse (@guest_648001)
September 26, 2018 14:51

I don’t know anyone with a Visa Sig Freedom Unlimited. That would mean a 5k CL…I know some people would use it to MS but the majority of people have a FU with a line less than 5k, meaning it’s not Visa Sig.

Abelian Grape
Abelian Grape (@guest_648042)
September 26, 2018 15:47

I have two.

PT
PT (@guest_648280)
September 26, 2018 22:20

I don’t claim to know the breakdown on FU between Sig & non-Sig, but I would venture to guess that there are a large number of people with Visa Sig FU cards. Visa Sig cards are very common in general & 5K is not a high limit. I have a lot of cards & only one is just under $5K.

The other thing to keep in mind is that most people use a card or two for general purchases & don’t use highly targeted methods like people here, so they will use them places that only get 1%. That is how card issuers stay in business. Discover’s reward costs average out to about 1.38% according to their report. They lose money on people like me who only use their card for 5% categories.

Sa
Sa (@guest_647830)
September 26, 2018 10:59

why don’t the merchants just negotiate a flat fee to use the network. If the issuer of the cards wants to offer rewards to the user, let the issuer carry the bag. Costco’s case is an example of how it could work.

PT
PT (@guest_647851)
September 26, 2018 11:30
  Sa

They want to pay low fees for the low rewards or debit cards, but ALSO pay low fees for rewards cards.

A flat fee would defeat the purpose of lowering their costs.

Lrdx
Lrdx (@guest_647863)
September 26, 2018 11:45
  Sa

Costco’s case is based on exclusivity; Visa agreed to a low fee in exchange that competitors are not allowed in store. I doubt Amazon and Walmart can work with only one card network.

MickeyMouse
MickeyMouse (@guest_648002)
September 26, 2018 14:52
  Sa

Isn’t Costco now accepting ApplePay though? Meaning you can use other cards in store.

Lrdx
Lrdx (@guest_648064)
September 26, 2018 16:33

You still can’t use any card that’s not a Visa.

Abelian Grape
Abelian Grape (@guest_648047)
September 26, 2018 15:50
  Sa

Because the networks don’t want to.

Max
Max (@guest_647811)
September 26, 2018 10:47

I think this is moronic. Are they going to direct all cashiers to be on the look out for an ever growing set of premium cards? Look out for CSR, USB Altitude Reserve, Amex Plat, PRG, Ritz Carlton, UBS Visa Infinite, Amex Centurion, CNB Crystal Visa Infinite…

Yoni
Yoni (@guest_647868)
September 26, 2018 11:51

It’s in the Cardreader software/firmware it IDs off 1st digits Max

Big corps aren’t going to leave money on the table based on the lowest common denominator.

Cpaynter
Cpaynter (@guest_647882)
September 26, 2018 12:08

I think the distinction would be handled programmatically, either by the POS system or the processor. The card will simply be declined. Of course the poor cashier will probably take the brunt of abuse from the customer whose card is rejected.

Heck, about once a month I get behind some fool at Costco who is confused and indignant that his MasterCard, Discover or AmEx isn’t honored there. 🙄

PT
PT (@guest_648271)
September 26, 2018 22:00

Interesting. I’ve never heard/seen any non-Visa card issues like this & I shop at Costco regularly.

Abelian Grape
Abelian Grape (@guest_648046)
September 26, 2018 15:48

Of course not. Have you heard of computers? They’re pretty good at memorizing things. Most retailers have a few, even at checkout counters.

quasimodo
quasimodo (@guest_647802)
September 26, 2018 10:43

Thought the swipe fees were standardized….my ignorance!

Abelian Grape
Abelian Grape (@guest_648044)
September 26, 2018 15:47

They are standardized, but vary by network and card level/tier.