Posted by William Charles on April 9, 2018
Hotel Booking

Published on April 9th, 2018 | by William Charles


More Rumored SPG/Marriott Information – Award Nights Becoming Dynamic & More

Earlier today we posted some rumors about the SPG/Marriott integration. Flyertalk user OU812 just posted the following:

  • Names of status levels above Platinum have not been confirmed. MR wants to differentiate status levels above platinum to ensure proper recognition and avoid confusion among front line staff. Working names are Platinum 50, Platinum 75 and Platinum 100
  • Instant recognition of status at all levels upon check-in, with arrival points, free HSI, food & beverage vouchers, and choice of other benefits depending on status level
  • Spend requirement for all levels above silver. If spending level not reached, but nights are, status is at appropriate level based on spend.
  • Gold and platinum 50 upgrades limited to preferred level, concierge floor, higher floors, corner rooms, or view rooms at resorts. (No suites!)
  • Guaranteed suite awards (4) per year for platinum 75 and above
  • Guaranteed lounge access only for levels platinum 75 and above
  • Free breakfast at resorts for platinum 75 and above
  • Guaranteed late check-out, 2:00pm for Gold, 3:00pm for Platinum 50, 4:00pm for Platinum 75, Plat 100; resort and conference hotels subject to availability.
  • Platinum guarantees: 48 room guarantee remains, others guarantees are gone (platinum arrival gift, bed type, room type, lounge access, ultimate reservation guarantee)
  • Lifetime status changes coming. If status level not obtained, lifetime status identified in system. New Lifetime Level above Platinum will be added in 2019! Benefits reduced to upgrade to preferred floor for LTG; upgrade, late check-out for LTP
  • Big changes coming to awards! Dynamic award pricing, points required for award night based on hotel room rates at time of booking. No black-out dates, no categories!

Apparently some of the above may end up on the cutting room floor due to IT issues and the deadline. I think the above is surely way to negative to be accurate. I personally don’t have an issue with dynamic award pricing, as long as it’s clear how much points are worth (e.g the Southwest model). What I don’t want to see is dynamic award pricing that is really just hotels still in categories but it gives Marriott the ability to devalue the program without notice (e.g Hilton/Delta model). If the above changes are true, expect significant kick back from both Marriott & SPG loyalty members. Personally I’m filing the above under highly speculative for now, but thought others would appreciate reading it regardless.

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DoC, in the light of the rumor about the suspension of SPG-Marriott transfers: What is your advice for keeping the points?

All I could think reading this was how happy I am this is only a rumor. Insanely negative, as you said.

This is bad. Really bad 🙁

My sister and I only started being a Marriott Rewards member when they started having those twitter promos. Our stays at Marriott have been better than Hyatt, Hilton, and IHG but I just need enough notice from Mariott for an exist strategy. We’re expecting to have 220k+ combined Marriott points by end of June. Hopefully they give us enough time to book hotels at current points rate or transfer points to airlines via SPG program.

Seems like Marriott couldnt wait to kill off SPG. Im not sure why the big chains are killing off some of their best benefits. Without generous reward programs most of their portfolios are so so at best. Its good news for boutique hotels and independents, we will probably see a lot more money directed their way if this keeps up. I know mine will be.

Recommendations for people sitting on SPG points?

Don’t want to speculatively xfer to an SPG program (i.e AS/JL) but also don’t want to just wait for my points to become nothing overnight…

Wish I had jumped on the sale for Marriott Nights & Flights for 150k UA & The nights

When was that offer Chaseaholic?


I think that was the offer from Nov 2017 for 157K UA + 7 night cat 1-5.

This is exactly my question as well. In the meantime I will continue to MS the living shit out of my SPG biz and personal CCs

Anyone have any ideas if a Dynamic pricing for award night work with free nights award?

If spend requirement, dynamic pricing and no more airline point transfers are all true, they will completely destroy the goodwill they paid SPG billions for.

Yeah even if only most of this is true, it’s clear Marriott bought SPG to kill competition and not gain new customers

Exactly. Marriott has been touting the cost saving to the shareholders for a while There is just no way but cutting benefit to even remotely come close to the projection.

At this rate. Hyatt might become the most solid hotel redemption for points.

Agree. Best Western doesnt look bad either for oversea properties.

If they add dynamic pricing then what’s the point. I like being able to go Aruba in February. If they jack the points up for peak season than just start using a cash back card.

1000% agree. Dynamic pricing is a death sentence for me. I’ll book and burn all my points if they announce it as I can never take a vacation during “low season.”.

Well if they will stop spg to airlines transfer then the new program is laready dead. No value at all. I dont care about dynamic rate change, in that case its better buy with cash.

I am also wondering the over/under on SPG airline transfers being stopped with no notice. That’d be a bit of a disaster for me.

Same here. I mean, I’ve always assumed the SPG-style airline transfers would end with the merger (there could still be some airline transfer feature but at a much worse than 1:1 ratio). But if it ends with no notice, that would be awful. Some folks have said “surely Marriott wouldn’t do that and enrage all those customers”. Well, that’s been said in the past with other negative, no-notice devaluations from loyalty programs. Part of being the 800 lb gorilla in the room is that you can pretty much do what you want.

We all knew Marriott would destroy everything good about SPG.

Well… here we are.

well, its pretty damn clear all the huge travel institutions are squeezing the gaming hacking community out. pretty obvious. everything is a race to zero.

dynamic everything. rev based reqs everywhere. travel industry is going back to its roots (aka casino loyalty programs) and i cant blame them. basically, money talks. otherwise, GTFO.

If they go revenue based then I would rather use or something like that. No loyalty to anyone other than the best value. Which is not the case most of the time whrn youbare trying to stay with the same chain.

I agree. Just got SPG Biz card and if new program has no transfer partners and is rev-based I will just use and sometimes Chase UR Travel via 1.5c CSR value.

I think it’s pretty obvious to anyone that hotel chain loyalty programs are a ponzi scheme. You overpay dearly for the hotel now, in hopes of getting some lame “elite” perk like free breakfast and maybe a chance to get outsized award redemption value later. They just keep moving the target.

So much cheaper to just go and book the cheapest option from all the independent hotels,and get some cashback in the process.

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