Marriott Travel Package Chaos: What Will Happen To Existing Certificates After August 18th?

Marriott & SPG will become a unified program on August 18th, overall I’d say they have done a good job of informing loyalty members how things will work under the new program and so far things seem fair or as relatively fair as one could expect with a merger/acquisition of this size. One thing that isn’t clear is what will happen to people with Marriott travel packages, these packages can still be bought through August 17th under the current rates before they dramatically increase in cost.

What’s The Problem?

The reason it’s not clear is because the award chart is changing dramatically (see image below).


The problem is that in a lot of cases it’s not possible to directly map the current certificates onto the new programs award chart. For example if I have a travel package with 7 nights at a category 6 property. Under the old program that could be used at properties that cost 30,000 points per night. Under the new program there is no category that costs 30,000 points per night, it’s either 25,000 or 35,000 points. So Marriott would need to decide between being generous/vindictive. They do have other options which we discuss below.

What We Know So Far

We don’t know a lot, but we do have a few facts so let’s lead with those before we get into speculation territory.

Marriott’s Options

Marriott has several options, I think it’s important to understand each option and the upsides/downsides.

  1. Convert certificates into points. This is highly unlikely and based on the last press release from Marriott seems to have been almost entirely ruled out. The reason I say I think this is highly unlikely is because it effectively means that people would have purchased airline miles for 1 Marriott point each, an incredible deal and costly for Marriott.
  2. Map over to the new program generously. E.g category 1-5 maps over to 1-4 and then category six maps over to 5 etc.
  3. Maps over to the new program greedily. E.g category six maps over to category four.
  4. Keep a separate award chart for these certificates for 12 months. Basically they would just keep a list of properties that are currently available under each category and then these certificates would be good at those properties only. In my opinion this is the most likely outcome. Certificate holders can’t complain as the same hotels that were available at the time of redeeming points for the travel package would still be available for redemption.
  5. All certificates turn into category 1-4 and then you receive a points refund. You can then upgrade your category 1-4 certificate with points, this was mentioned on Flyertalk by user maxcalls (thanks to Frequent Miler for pointing it out).

What I Think Will Happen

Honestly I have no clue. I think the ‘fairest’ solution for everybody involved (including Marriott) would be option #4. Maintaining a separate award list/chart for 12 months seems like a logistical nightmare though so I think that #5 is also an option. That still leaves some people being unable to redeem their certificates for properties they would have been previously able to, but Marriott has said all along that if you want a specific property you should book before the change. Goodluck to everybody that has gambled on these ending in a favorable outcome.

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Silver
Silver (@guest_630828)
August 18, 2018 15:34

https://insiders.marriottrewards.com/blogs/exclusive-news/2018/08/10/how-to-use-your-current-travel-package-certificate-prior-to-818

“8/18 Update

Members,

For members with existing Travel Packages (booked prior to today and not yet attached to a reservation), today we are able to share how they will convert within the newly unified program. Please see the full chart below.”

tim
tim (@guest_629741)
August 15, 2018 12:24

Another data point – just called in this morning to purchase another current Category 6 package – taking a chance that on Sept 18 this will convert to a new Category 5 at 35,000 points, which is what I need for Marriott Puerto Vallarta. The rep told me that on Saturday current Category 6 certificates will convert to new 50,000 point ones. She seemed like she knew her stuff, but then again, this seems different than what most others are reporting. Hope the data point benefits the conversation though 🙂

Greg
Greg (@guest_629320)
August 14, 2018 15:02

My question is what happens to the ritz certs, heres me hoping they get converted to 60k points.

Jeremy
Jeremy (@guest_629277)
August 14, 2018 13:54

I have a cat 1-5 cert, should, or CAN i upgrade it before transition? I tried once and was denied a few months ago-

GL
GL (@guest_629253)
August 14, 2018 13:16

Another possibility is option 2 but with the new certs for 6 days instead of 7.

JS
JS (@guest_629265)
August 14, 2018 13:37
  GL

You think Marriott will map all 40,000 booking with 50,000 properties?? No no.

Dave
Dave (@guest_629239)
August 14, 2018 12:28

I have a category 1-5 cert and want to upgrade to a cat 8, which requires 90K points. I have 89K. Marriott has said there might be “intermittent blackouts” from 8/15-8/18, so I want to do this upgrade today. I transferred 1K Chase UR to Marriott on Sunday thinking the points would post by now, but no. About an hour ago, I bought 1K from Marriott’s website ($12.50), other people have said it usually takes 2-3 minutes; but still no points. If they don’t post by end of day, will Marriott “extend” me the 1K for this upgrade? I know they’ll let you do this for bookings, but I don’t know about Travel packages. I’m a Gold member from SPG.

readerS
readerS (@guest_629250)
August 14, 2018 12:58

They don’t. So I purchased points. It took one day to post.

kathy nokes
kathy nokes (@guest_629273)
August 14, 2018 13:51

I was just on the phone with them, I needed to purchase 10k points to upgrade my package. The nice CSR couldn’t get the points purchase system to work, so she just added 10k points to my account. Being polite and friendly helps!

lilurbanachiever
lilurbanachiever (@guest_629227)
August 14, 2018 12:12

The problem is also that it is difficult to understand all the rules. I am still not sure what happens if I book a stay with a 7-day certificate and then decide to cancel. Does the certificate go back to my account or not ?

Mike
Mike (@guest_629310)
August 14, 2018 14:50

According to the rep I talked to last night, yes you would get a certificate back in your account. Question is what would the value of the certificate be?

FlyingNinja
FlyingNinja (@guest_629204)
August 14, 2018 11:14

As I see it, option 5 will hurt the ones who wants to gamble at higher categories. So if I was to gamble, I would just redeem, attach it to a property, and use it within the next 12 months as intended.

JS
JS (@guest_629263)
August 14, 2018 13:35

Marriott should just hurt the people who want to gamble or speculate. You should not get more than what you deserve. It is not fair to use 50k points to book a 90k property. Let the bubble burst.

howard
howard (@guest_629183)
August 14, 2018 10:14

Thank you for the detailed analysis!
One question not asked so much is about the Cat1-5 FN cert (not the 7 night cert that comes with the package, but one that came with the legacy Marriott Premier credit card and ALREADY ISSUED to the member’s account): will that be treated the same as the travel package cert? I understand that it’s only one night (vs 7 night in the case of travel package), but I still want to plan accordingly and make the best use of it.

JF
JF (@guest_629208)
August 14, 2018 11:25

Marriott has already said the free night certificates from the card anniversary will just become a FN at any property up to 25k points.

howard
howard (@guest_629220)
August 14, 2018 12:02
  JF

oh!! Is that automatic (i.e. no interruption between Aug and Sept 18 like the travel package cert)? Somehow I missed this info. If you could provide a link or post that would be great!

Tom
Tom (@guest_629170)
August 14, 2018 09:26

#5 is based on feedback from 1 CSR at the MRR Indian Call center. I cannot believe how much traction it has got in the past 24hrs.
Today FT has another poster who had their CSR tell them they had a Program Info sheet that said a Cat 5 today will map to Cat 4 in the new program.
They all can’t be correct…..my bet is on #2

Radster
Radster (@guest_629192)
August 14, 2018 10:33

I agree. While all the wild speculation is fun (I purchased a speculative Cat 6 package), I believe the Occam’s razor choice of #2 will prevail.

JS
JS (@guest_629261)
August 14, 2018 13:33

No.

JS
JS (@guest_629260)
August 14, 2018 13:33

old Cat 1-5 will be mapped to new Cat-1-4. This is certain. Not questionable.

#5 is highly possible. It gives you the opportunity to re-book the certificate with similar valued categories.

#5 will take the mapping out of the equation. You get the opportunity to use the TP now. Or it is the history. Goner!

Mike
Mike (@guest_629319)
August 14, 2018 15:02

I spoke with a rep last night. He wasn’t exactly sure how they would convert, but he indicated that they were not being converted to points. Most likely some option between 3 and 4. He claimed that my current Cat 6 cert “should” convert to a new Cat 5. He said I didn’t need to attach my cert before Aug 18. Not sure how much I believe him as it sounded too good to be true. Might attach the cert anyway just to be safe.