Posted by William Charles on March 28, 2017
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Published on March 28th, 2017 | by William Charles

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Recap: Leggingsgate, Barclaycard Sells Debt & More

 



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Jan B
Jan B

Folks, if you travel on a non-revenue pass, the rules are clear. Information is provided or available for the actual types of clothing that are restricted.

We, as a family, were almost restricted from a flight because I didn’t realize my son’s (nice, like chinos, longer length) shorts were restricted because he had reached his 12th birthday. At that time, he wasn’t a tall kid. I thought he looked fine, but where he was 11, he could wear the shorts, but not at 12, and the age was on the record.

Thankfully, the gate agent gave me grace and allowed me to board with my other children and I was very grateful. Pass riders should not challenge the agents. Not only are they enforcing the pass rules but they are also still working with paid passengers and they don’t need the added stress.

Ian
Ian

Whether or not the rules are *clear*, they are still sexist and gross.

We should stop telling women and girls what to wear.

Russ
Russ

The woman who posted it to twitter originally and United’s twitter team did not realize they were flying non-rev. United’s response should have been along the lines of “we’ll look into this” but they fanned the flames by quoting a clause of their contract of carriage that allows them to deny boarding for inappropriate attire. There has always been a dress code for non-rev passengers.

And non-rev means employees and their friends using buddy passes, not award tickets.

Sarah
Sarah

Who the heck lets their 10 year old leave the house dressed inappropriately and then complains when they get called out for being dressed inappropriately?

Yes, leggings are common but still very inappropriate attire by themselves without a long shirt, skirt, or dress.

Russ
Russ

Part of the problem is the term “leggings” is very broad. There are some that are skin tight like nylons and some that are basically pants. I have girls around that age and they wear leggings as pants to school all the time and they’re completely appropriate.

We used to fly non-rev a lot and were well aware of the dress code so never had a problem, but saw plenty of people coming who did – especially coming back from somewhere warm wearing shorts or t-shirts when they weren’t supposed to.

Ian
Ian

Who the heck cares what a ten year old (or, really, anyone) is wearing.

Welcome to the modern age. This doesn’t matter.

sirtheta

It’s always hilarious to see a big company completely bungle what should be an easy PR move.

I also had no idea that airlines had dress codes. While it makes a modicum of sense (you don’t want someone showing up shirtless or shoeless), I couldn’t help but be amazed by United’s blog post (https://hub.united.com/our-customers-leggings-are-welcome-2331263786.html), where they state that “all employees and pass riders are considered representatives of United” when using a pass rider. Is it actually possible for anyone to tell that a passenger is there on a pass rider? (serious question!) It seems to me that passengers wouldn’t know and couldn’t give a fig in any case. (Clearly, not many people had any idea since this got covered extensively without mention of that fact.)

E Dantes
E Dantes

That’s a really great point. How would anybody even know they weren’t regular passengers?

(Is the new GET OFF MY LAWN now, GET OFF MY AIRPLANE WITH YOUR LULULEMONS!)

Rene
Rene

> Is it actually possible for anyone to tell that a passenger is there on a pass rider?

Probably not for everyone, but I often spotted ‘Passengers’ who were obviously related to the cabin crew. Maybe somebody’s family, but I did assume they were employed with the airline — and I think the impression is what matters to the airline.

I friend of mine is a commercial pilot and he just (almost) always flies in his uniform. Just to avoid any issues.

The Voice of Reason
The Voice of Reason

The title is misleading and unclear: “United Airlines Says Women May Be Denied Boarding for Wearing Leggings.” Like most airlines, United has special dress codes for employees and guests traveling on United passes (unpaid flights). The general dress code for other passengers is more lenient.

View from the Wing, please do not fall in the yellow journalism trap!!!

Another good discussion topic: Should airline passengers be permitted to wear bikinis or shorts without shirts? Should a dress code exist?

NinjaX
NinjaX

really wouldnt call it Leggingsgate at this point, but watever. no big deal. funny pun i guess.

E Dantes
E Dantes

Even if these were non-rev passengers, it’s an absolutely ridiculous rule, and I hope all the viral media attention afforded to it sends it to a justly deserved death.

Since when did an airplane, where they feed you cheap over-salted snacks, cramp your legs into a row narrower than a mini-fridge, and even provide you flimsy pillows and blankets for sleeping become a country club? Then add to the fact that this particular leggings rule is clearly targeting women only…it’s completely outrageous.

And whoever says leggings aren’t appropriate attire, please take a look around you. Athleisure is totally in fashion now, and there’s nothing vulgar or obscene about it.

NinjaX
NinjaX

haha… yup, dont mind the naked girls all around me actually. love how western culture is super liberal about what counts as clothes. piece of string called a bikini? naaaice. see thru ultra skin tight leggings with thong showing called pants? naaaice… feminists dont wanna wear a shirt since men can walk around shirtless. naaaaaaaaaice… loving it baby.

The Voice of Reason
The Voice of Reason

Also, allow see-thru tops?

LOL

Ramin
Ramin

United Airlines is well known for discrimination. Many years ago, they would not hire dark skinned black people as Flight Attendants. Then, they did not want to hire latinos. Then they did not want to hire gays.
Finally I was hired, I am gay and Moslem. I was harassed and bullied by my supervisor for many years. He even wrote me up for allegedly wearing “Make up”, which I only covered some scars on my face. He kept writing me up for Bogus stuff that he eventually got me fired after 25 years of employment and I was a great employee. So, they love drama at United and they are bunch of hateful people!
I had to deal with the terrible discriminatory management at United for years, being bullied, harassed and I was called names!

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