Posted by William Charles on April 19, 2018
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Published on April 19th, 2018 | by William Charles

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Starwood Preferred Guest American Express Luxury Card Review

American Express will be issuing the new ‘Starwood Preferred Guest American Express Luxury Card‘ on/around August 26th, 2018. We know all of the details of the card apart from the sign up bonus currently so I thought we’d do a review.

Card Basics

  • $450 annual fee
  • Sign up bonus 125,000 points after $5,000 in spend (rumored)
  • $300 in statement credits each year of card membership for eligible purchases at SPG & Marriott properties
  • Card earns at the following rates:
    • 6x points per $1 spent at participating SPG & Marriott Rewards hotels
    • 3x points per $1 spent at U.S. restaurants and on flights booked directly with airlines
    • 2x points per $1 spent on all other purchases
  • Free night award every year after your card account anniversary (can be used at any property that costs under 50,000 points per night)
  • Complimentary gold elite status
  • Platinum elite status after you spend $75,000 or more on the card in a calendar year
  • Starting in 2019: 15 nights towards elite status (you’re restricted to getting this benefit once per Marriott Loyalty program number)
  • Unlimited complimentary lounge access for you and up to two accompanying guests
  • Statement credit for Global Entry ($100) or TSA PreCheck ($85) every four years
  • No foreign transaction fees
  • Free, unlimited Boingo Wi-Fi access
  • Free in-room premium internet access at SPG & Marriott participating hotels

Card Benefits

Given the $450 annual fee you’d expect and want significant benefits on this card. Let’s take a closer look at the benefits being offered.

$300 Statement Credits

This card gives you up to $300 in statement credits for eligible purchases at SPG & Marriott properties. You receive this benefit each card membership year, rather than on a calendar year basis. Your first year begins on your account opening date and each subsequent year begins on the anniversary of this date. They define eligible purchases as:

Eligible SPG or Marriott Rewards property purchases must be made directly with the participating SPG or Marriott Rewards property and charged to your Starwood Preferred Guest American Express Luxury Card account for the benefit to apply. Incidental charges (including charges made at restaurants, spas and other establishments within the hotel property) must be charged to your room and paid for with your Starwood Preferred Guest American Express Luxury Card at checkout in order to be recognized as SPG or Marriott Rewards purchases. 

The big question is do room rates qualify? It’s not 100% clear in the above terms, but American Express has confirmed that room rates do qualify for these purchases. This matches how the resort credit works on the premium Hilton card. You’ll also need to allow 12 weeks for the statement credit to post after your transaction has posted.

Free Award Night

Each year after card renewal you’ll receive one free night award from SPG. This award certificate can be used for a one night stay inclusive of room rate and taxes at any SPG or Marriott property that costs 50,000 points or under. You still have to pay resort fees when using these certificates. The certificate is automatically deposited into your account within 8 to 12 weeks of account anniversary. The certificate is valid for one year after it’s issued.

Status

This card comes with the following elite status benefits:

  • You receive gold status for being a cardholder
  • You receive platinum status if you spend $75,000 or more within a calendar year on the card
  • Starting in 2019 you’ll receive 15 elite nights towards qualifying for elite status.

It’s important to note that the 15 elite night benefit is offered on multiple SPG & Marriott cards and can only be ‘used’ once. For example even if you have this SPG luxury card and Marriott Premier Plus (also coming with 15 elite nights towards status) you’ll receive a total of 15 nights.

Priority Pass Lounge Membership

This card gives you unlimited complimentary access to lounges in the Priority Pass network. The card also gives up to two guests complimentary access, additional guests can be brought into the lounge at a cost of $27 per guest.

Boingo

This card comes with Boingo American Express Preferred Plan. Under this plan you’re able to connect up to four devices (if you’re using multiple devices at the same time they must be using the same hotspot though). This plan excludes inflight WiFi. This is basically the same as the Boingo global plan that normally costs $39 per month without any discounts.

Our Verdict

The earning rates on this card aren’t that special, the regular personal/business SPG cards will earn 2x everywhere and 6x on SPG/Marriott properties, as does the Marriott Premier Plus. I can only assume the Ritz-Carlton card will have it’s earning rates increased as well. The $450 annual fee is offset by the $300 hotel credit, especially as it can be used on room rates. Normally I don’t like to give that equal cash value, but if you spend $300+ through Marriott/SPG annually I don’t have an issue with it.

Do the other benefits justify the $150 annual fee? That depends, if you have have another premium credit card then the priority pass lounge access would be worthless. The free night certificate that comes with this card is better than the one that comes with the Premier Plus/SPG personal/business cards (those are restricted to 35,000 points) and they come with a $95 annual fee. It’s hard to determine how much a free night certificate is really worth, as we still don’t know what properties will be in what category after the programs are combined. Gold status is OK, but nothing particularly special.

Personally I think this card will fall into the long list of cards that are great to sign up for the first year and then after that I’ll cancel. Some people will consider this card a long term keeper but I simply don’t care enough about elite status and I don’t like the pressure of having to spend $300 annually to get value out of the card even if I’ll normally do that anyway. It will also depend on how easy that free night certificate will be to use.

What do other readers think? Will this card be a long term keeper for you or will you be getting the sign up bonus and then cancelling?



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J
J

This card is nothing compared to the Amex Hilton Aspire card

P
P

Right. The free night on the aspire is for weekend nights but it will still likely easier to find a property for that than the free night on the Marriott.

Hadley V. Baxendale
Hadley V. Baxendale

You don’t know what you are talking about. The Aspire Free night is limited to weekends and the Marriott free nights have been applicable 7 days a week and you state that it will be easier to use the Aspire’s night? You are deluded.

P
P

I may be crazy but at least I do some reading. The current night is only up to category 5. The one from this new premium card is up to properties that cost 50k only. Next year they’ll have off peak and peak. I’m sure everyone will be crazy trying to redeem it at desirable properties. And you won’t get your anniversary free night until next year. So do you think the 50k properties in August will still cost 50k in a year?

Hadley V. Baxendale
Hadley V. Baxendale

There has been no discussion whatsoever how peak and off peak will be handled so one can’t even say how it will be offered. I’ll tell you to look at the Aspire card or even the Ascend card’s weekend night rules — they are for standard reward levels ONLY.

Why don’t you take a gander at the Hilton Edinburgh Carlton hotel — one that I stayed at last year during the Comedy Festival using by Citi Reserve free night, and try finding even ONE standard reward level room from August thru the end of August, and then start repeating back to me that Marriott’s Peal/Off-Peak rewards may interfere with same.

I have also written elsewhere that at least with respect to Marriott credit card free night certs, if you use the card and have elite status, Marriott Rewards has happily extended your cert for another year — Has Hilton permitted the same??

Answer – NO!

Care to remark again as to whose night will be easier to use?

P
P

Extending one year because you have status is not the same as being able to use the free night. I live in Hawaii and there are no category five Marriott. I can’t use the anniversary night. I have to leave the state to redeem it. How about you. Have have you redeemed the Marriott category five free night from the credit card?

Hadley V. Baxendale
Hadley V. Baxendale

Yes, I have redeemed Category 5 free nights, but if you were actually to read the offering, the SPG Luxury Card will be offering hotels at 35,000 points/night under the newly revamped schedule, not Category 5 hotels under the 25,000 point present schedule.

Further, expecting that any and Hawaii hotels will fall within the ambit of the new hotel categories — and if they don’t — the card is useless to you, is ridiculous.

I would not be surprised that the CY on Maui may fall within the Luxury Card’s uses when the new awards chart is unveiled, but I would not want to spend my night at a CY or at any resort where I live — and I don’t know why you would, as well.

I live in NYC, and would never think of using my free night at a hotel in NYC, period.

I would use it elsewhere.

Again, you can’t compare the present Marriott Category 5 with the new categories that the Luxury card will slot into, especially since the present Category 5 hotels, don’t even include any SPG hotels!!

Moreover, as you, yourself have acknowledged, the Luxury Card’s hotels will slot into up to 50,000 points — that will be a Category 6 on the new hotel rewards category scale — very different than the present Category 5 scale which only requires 25,000 points.

Finally, if you hold the Luxury Card it is very easy to earn status on the card, and I have seen in the MR section of FT that even people with low status were granted 1 year extensions if they had used their cards — so effectively the 1 year cert has been a 2 year cert unlike the HHonors certificate.

P
P

I give up. you already called me “crazy” in your first reply. Then you changed it to “deluded.” (I got in my email the previews of you comments, so editing them doesn’t change them.) So, I don’t think I want to deal with you any more.

Dan
Dan

Can you use the certificate at the Marriott in the North shore of Oahu? That one seemed cheaper.

Hadley V. Baxendale
Hadley V. Baxendale

Fair enough. But I mis-wrote above. The Luxury Card will grant up to and including a Category 6 level free night UNDER THE NEW REWARDS CATEGORY RULES.

That is up to 50,000 points/night, not the present 25,000 points/night free hotel night granted to the present Marriott Rewards credit cards — that is a significant difference and as I have noted elsewhere, those categories do not contain any SPG hotels.

If you are only looking to use your free nights at Hawaiian hotels, good luck to you, but most people are not so geographically circumscribed.

Finally, I thought I was being kinder to you be calling you deluded in your assumptions, rather than crazy. If you think neither is accurate, you need not reply to me.

However, I reserve the right to reply to any of yours……….

You Know Me
You Know Me

You’re a douche. Get off your fake pedestal.

Mark P
Mark P

I just looked and the Hilton Edinburgh Carlton is available literally every single night in August at the standard rate of 50,000 Hilton points.

Hadley V. Baxendale
Hadley V. Baxendale

Many thanks to you!! For the last 3 months, they had only offered standard rooms at 210,000 points/night. They must have updated their room inventory now for award rooms during the approximately month long comedy festival.

This is a newly renovated hotel that was a former department store and has an excellent location in Edinburgh to tour the city. Wat’s more, is that they have a small Executive Lounge open to Diamond members — it is not a great lounge by an stretch of the imagination, but it is still nice that they have it — and Diamond members can instead take breakfast in the restaurant, which I suggest that they do as there is much more table space.

In any event, as I noted elsewhere, the Aspire card pays for itself and that is why one should get one.

However, it is nonsensical to compare the Luxury card with the Aspire card. They are apples and oranges and reflect the philosophy of each of their chains — Hilton was always easier to get the breakfast benefit at and had a much earlier and easier path to top tier status via credit card spend — Marriott the opposite. Marriott, however, did not devalue its points as frequently as Hilton did, nor have they (yet) pegged their points to a $$ value = dynamic currency pricing.

As a hotel enthusiast, I acknowledge their differences and their strengths and that is why they form the backbone of my portfolio — whereas SPG historically did not. That is why SPG’s incorporation into Marriott is a boon for us long time Marriott frequent guests.

J
J

Hadley V. Baxendale The Aspire card has much less restricted airlines credit compared to the Luxury card’s hotel credit (probably applied to only overpriced Hotel food/spa and excluding room rates), albeit $50 less. In addition, the Aspire card has an annual free $250 resort credit that can be used for anything at all Hilton resorts worldwide. Hilton diamond from the Aspire card may not be as lucrative as the new Marriott platinum premium, but at least lounge access is guaranteed by Hilton diamond vs Marriott gold without lounge access. Regarding the free night, I think commentor P has explained clearly. I’d also add that the new categories change after Aug 2018 would likely push properties in major cities (NYC, SF) over 50,000 points during the peak periods that not even the Luxury cards certificate can be used for.

Hadley V. Baxendale
Hadley V. Baxendale

J –

I think the Aspire card is great — especially for a now busted back to Silver HHonors elite member!

Of course I am going to get the Aspire card, why wouldn’t I?? It pays for itself, number one, and as a HHonors Diamond member, I was able to use my Citi Reserve free nights at the Hilton Dubrovnik as a then Diamond member via any number of elite status matches I held for hilton Daimond. Was upgraded to a large room with a wrap-around balcony overlooking the old city in August.

Sure I am going to get the card when I actually need it, but you are comparing apples to oranges, though.

Marriott had no intention of matching Hilton’s generous credit card offer — they never had, and it surprises me not in the least that they have not here.

I’ll add that I have seen commentary already reported from AMEX reps that the $300 hotel credit can be applied to the hotel room rate for ANY HOTEL,not just resorts like the Aspire card — so again, it should be easier to use getting value than having to travel to a Hilton resort.

Advantage SPG Luxury Card

Moreover, the Aspire card’s air incidental utility is currently compromised for me as I fly UA, and the travel bank perk has been MIA for the better part of a year — although it is supposed to be re-established some time this year. When it is, and it goes back to banking $$ for AMEX reimbursement, I’ll again go for a card that offers same — in this case, the Aspire card — but for now, that $250 credit is of no utility to me.

Advantage SPG Luxury Card — Again.

Moreover, for a Marriott loyalist — in particular, and a hotel loyalist, in general, the SPG Luxury card will be worthwhile for those who judiciously look for value.

Moreover, the card still can be used to MS to Platinum status, but not as easily for the small MS spenders, that’s all — I just hope they don’t do so.

I doubt they will change many hotels next year, and this is coming from someone who has seen Marriott frequently do the same year after year.

Finally, it is immaterial to me about NYC hotels — I live in the Big Apple.

J
J

Hadley V. Baxendale Thanks for sharing your experience. However, I think you have already answered the question which card(the Aspire or the Luxury card) offers better value for average travellers without top elite status, or even any travellers, if they are to choose only 1 card. FYI, there are many ways to get the UA reimbursement besides incidental charges and you can find more info at DoC or other travel forums. One extra perk the Aspire card has over the Luxury card is the annual $250 Hilton resorts credit, which is in addition to Aspire’s annual $250 airline credit and free night.

Also, regarding the categories change, most Marriott properties in major cities currently require 45k points. Given that the new upcoming category 5 would require only 40k points during peak, I suspect those properties as a result would fall into category 6 next year, which means they would require 60k points at peak and the Luxury card’s certificate would be useless for such an award.

Charles
Charles

Do you happen to have any pointers to getting UA airfare-like reimbursements (with UA’s travel bank unavailable) for cards like the Aspire? I frequent DOC but didn’t notice such info there.

Hadley V. Baxendale
Hadley V. Baxendale

J — Totally in agreement with you and your assessments. If one had to choose but one of these cards, then the Aspire card is the one to go with, if for no other reason that now Hilton has permitted it top tier brand Waldorf Astoria, to offer breakfast benefits to Diamond members, something they had heretofore not provided — mimicking Marriott’s decision not to offer same to Platinum members staying at Ritz properties and Ritz’s more modern cousin Edition hotels. As I have noted in one of my newer posts above, Hilton always was a stronger candidate for offering breakfast to its elites than Marriott had been, and had made it much easier either via various low night challenges or by simply holding a low annual fee credit card to enable its holders to get the Gold breakfast benefit. Recall, that the easiest way one could obtain automatic Gold status in Marriott via holding a credit card was thru the Ritz Carlton card, which initially required a $450 outlay,and you only received Gold status for year one of ownership, the next and succeeding years you also had to pay the annual fee and put at least $10,000 on that card. That pales in comparison with respect to the AMEX Surpass card, or the even better and much lamented recently departed Citi Reserve card. This difference highlights my statements that Hilton always had lower requirements for obtaining mid-level Elite status and the benefits accruing therefrom than Marriott and that is why no one should really be surprised that the SPG Luxury card is not a carbon copy of the Aspire card, that’s all. I never said that one should not get the Aspire card, just that if you expected the Luxury Card to ape the Aspire card, you were whistling the wrong tune. As a frequent reader of DOC (in point of fact, I had been corresponding with him over the various and conflicting changes Hilton was making with respect to their newly launched card products, as I had been in contact with the HHonors representative on FT as to the many contradictions that we were initially receiving from her, and the general rumor mill about the forthcoming Ascend and Aspire cards, and how AMEX would transition the Citi portfolio), I, too, an unaware of the United work arounds — other than just calling up and claiming on a serial… Read more »

Federico
Federico

Well. 50K new SPG points is equal to 16.67K current, which is not a lot.

With the new Hilton premium, you get a $250 incidental airline credit (AA gift cards still works), a $250 credit at Resorts and top tier Diamond status. You get more for less and even if the certificate is for weekend, most people who will use a certificate will stay over the weekend.

You can not beat any Hilton property (Astoria, Conrad etc) with a 50K cap property with SPG, which many of use now most luxury (Maldives, Bora Bora, Dubai) cost 60 to 90K SPG per night (multiply that by 3).

The big downsize for me is the credit card earning, is just 2 Marriot points (=.667 SPG) for everyday purchases and 3x at restaurant, I don’t count flights because Amex doesn’t offer any travel benefit (bags, delays etc).

LC
LC

Very underwhelming, although we dont know the sign up bonus yet so my thinking on this could change.

Jack
Jack

See his new post with the rumored bonus to be 125k.

Hadley V. Baxendale
Hadley V. Baxendale

For SPG and Marriott Loyalists, the free night certificate will likely be worth it, even if the other aspects of the card are not that great — Elite status is fine for those who MS but hardcore Marriott and SPG members may have reached Platinum status already — like I have.

I will note that with respect to Marriott, elite Marriott members who use their credit cards have had no problem getting their credit card certs extended up to an additional year by Marriott Rewards — you contact them, not Chase.

So, if the choice of hotels exceeds a nightly rate of $150, then for SPG/Marriott folks, it is probably worth it.

Dave
Dave

I’m trying to decide if the higher category is worth $55 more per year. I’ll easily spend $300 at Marriott in a year, so effective few is $150. Some card is worth it for the 15 nights so I hit platinum each year. The free night is largely not useful at the category 5 since there are no places I want to stay, but I usually find some use. will category 7 be worth $55 more than the $95 premier plus I’d likely get? I don’t know, will have to see. Getting more amex offers will be a bonus.

Hadley V. Baxendale
Hadley V. Baxendale

I think that the new 50,000 points Category 6 credit card night will prove useful for the extra $55.00 but we will have to wait and see.

Fortunately, they have gone on record that we should know the new alignment of hotel and their respective categories somewhere between 4 – 6 weeks from now.

Further, I am in total agreement that the Category 5 hotels of the existing cards have been diminished by recent Category creep, but even they should have some interesting new entrants since the SPG hotel portfolio will now be encompassed within the hold and new reward categories.

So, from the perspective of wizened old Marriott cardholders who have seen the same old same old hotels recycled for use within the credit card award categories, at least we will see new entrants that we heretofore have not seen from the SPG portfolio!

JL
JL

This card needs to provide platinum status instead of gold to make it competitive.
Otherwise I see zero reasons to get this card.

Hadley V. Baxendale
Hadley V. Baxendale

Marriott never handed out its top tier status as easily as Hilton did –you and many others were dreaming when the Aspire came out and many speculated that a Marriott card will follow suit. Marriott likely cares little if you get the card or not, as they have 2 card issuers whereas Hilton only has one.

JL
JL

I never dreamed about anything and I couldn’t care less about loyalty – I don’t stay loyal to any hotel/airline.

Hadley V. Baxendale
Hadley V. Baxendale

It shows…

JL
JL

if only it wasn’t priority pass, but SPG/Marriott’s lounges during stay, that would be a whole lot more valuable. who really needs another PP??? c’mon AMEX. don’t they do user research before rolling it out?

Hadley V. Baxendale
Hadley V. Baxendale

Marriott has made the decision that they don’t want credit card elites clogging up their lounges like Hilton has decided to do. It’s as simple as that.

Avi
Avi

Amex doesn’t expect their elite customers to carry ten ultra premium cards each with their own PPs.

Leo
Leo

Don’t worry – soon enough their RAT team will sniff you out and claw back your points or cancel your cards. That’s all the research they need to do.

Darv
Darv

Signup bonus and then done. Devaluation of SPG points makes regular spend less than Citi Double. I too do not want pressure/hassle of redeeming a $300 credit only at Marriott properties. No other benefits worth mentioning. Something like the Chase CSR or US Bank AR are better cards as a premium card worth keeping.

Hadley V. Baxendale
Hadley V. Baxendale

Oh the pressure! Oh the pressure to spend a night at a high end hotel — without guaranteed lounge access! Yup, that is why Marriott only rewards true loyalty!

MSer
MSer

Quit being such a dickhead

Hadley V. Baxendale
Hadley V. Baxendale

Glad we won’t be seeing the likes of you in our lounges, A-hole.

LC
LC

This guy needs a mute.

Hadley V. Baxendale
Hadley V. Baxendale

You need to face reality.

Elias
Elias

Shut up. Toxic people like you shouldnt be allowed on this community. DoC is one of the few places where we still have relative peace from trolls like you.

Hadley V. Baxendale
Hadley V. Baxendale

Boo Hoo.

Too Bad you don’t make the rules, do you?

In addition, with a picture like that above, I certainly would not be calling other people trolls………

W
W

Agreed. It’s almost like they want to encourage their real market.

bob
bob

it’s easy to rack up $300 at SPG properites between Parking & WiFi & Breakfast and other things that are actually free at lower-end properties like Residence Inn and Hampton Inn.

But hey: if you’re hitting a higher-end place, or know you’re going somewhere a little ritzier, it’s still a net negative b/c you’re paying $450 for $300 back in actual spending (not MS’ing).

Unless you can buy Marriott GC’s at the desk and bill them to your room?

I assume you have to pay the 2nd AF to get the Free Night?

Avi
Avi

I don’t think they sell Marriott GCs at the desk, else we can start expecting long lines of people outside Marriotts waiting to buy GCs.

Parts Unknown
Parts Unknown

Marriott does sell GC’s at the front desk. I’ve purchased one personally.

Avi
Avi

That’s great news! Just gonna buy some from the nearest Farifield Inn to get the credit.

Parts Unknown
Parts Unknown

I’ve gotten mine from a true Marriott brand resort hotel, YMMV at the Fairfield or other brands in the Marriott portfolio, so might wanna call ahead, good luck!

Avi
Avi

More importantly, did you get it with a CC?

Parts Unknown
Parts Unknown

Yeah, paid with my PRG when I had an Amex offer for 4k points for $300 spend. Bought one $300 gc. Amex coded it as a room rate. Again, YMMV, especially with all the recent changes.

Avi
Avi

Great DP. Thanks!

Hadley V. Baxendale
Hadley V. Baxendale

Some Marriott and Renaissance hotels sell the gift cards — this has proven helpful when AMEX has launched their AMEX Offers for those properties — and the credit was received even though the offer stated that one had to have a hotel stay to obtain the credit — merely purchasing a gift card in the enumerated amount at the front desk without the hotel stay did the trick.

Darv
Darv

We’re staying at SPG properties 15 nights this year. I guess I’m trying to understand who this card appeals to other than a business traveler. My wife and I have a lot of vacation every year and we’re going to burn five weeks the next three years on lodging. Even with that, I see close to zero draw in loyalty hotel cards. Free nights are restricted so that they’re a pain to use. Just me, but I’m not staying at a suburban hotel on my vacation–I’m staying downtown and none of these loyalty programs have free nights for hotels in those situations–or seldom do. And yes, I’ve researched the heck out of many destinations.

At some point it’s easier to keep a Citi Prestige and then book fourth night free to get the value. I don’t like that prospect, but eventually my hotel points are going to run out and then it looks like the Prestige is the best option.

Sure, I could go out of my way to spend $300 on an SPG property. I was going a bit out of my way to stay at Sheratons with the lounge access on the biz card but they’re nerfing that 8/1. I just don’t see myself using this SPG premium card. I’ll have it for a year and I’ll see.

But I would like to cut down on the annual fees I’m paying. At this point I think chances are better than not I’ll be canceling almost all my hotel cards including Hyatt and IHG. Those free nights aren’t worth it to me.

P
P

Lol. That lounge access got me excited until further reading clarified that it’s pruor pass.

KARIM NEKVASIL
KARIM NEKVASIL

Really struggling to understand the point of this card. 195 annual fee i get it but 450? Honestly the aspire blows this out if the water.

captainsave
captainsave

Earn MR mean marriott rewards not membership rewards right?

James
James

the bonus points on this card is for Marriott Rewards or SPG points?

Sarah
Sarah

They are combining the points into one program in August.

Abey

Missing from this card is Sheraton club lounge and since current Marriott Gold become Platinum, they should offer platinum, which means free breakfast.

Mist Soalar
Mist Soalar

Marriott biz once had 100k/$5k for $99AF. I hope this card does much better than that.
But as William wrote in this article, I’m not a fan of hunting sweet spot for anniversary certs and inflexible hotel credits.

philco1941
philco1941

Very underwhelming but then I am clearly not Marriott’s target market. I do about 20-25 nights a year travel almost all international so hard to stay at one chain for all those nights even if I have wanted because many times the chain doesn’t even have a hotel in the place I am staying. It is clear that to be valuable to Marriott it all comes down to butts in bed for at least 50 days. They aren’t interesting in those of us who do half that but who put many six figures through credit cards. I got no argument with that but I’ll be shifting all my spend elsewhere and other than Hilton, will be a free agent lodging wise. None of the future state SPG/Marriott cards hold any interest to me come 8/1 other than perhaps I’ll hold on to my existing cards for the free night certificate but really on the fence about that. I do feel a bit sorry for Amex they are going to take a real hit with the drop in spend on the SPG cards come 8/1.

Avi
Avi

If I had to bet I don’t think the sign-up bonus would be higher than 100k reward points. This card might be similar to the Hilton Aspire card, in the sense that ultra premium cards (Aspire or SPG luxury) get the same sign-up offer as the medium tier cards (Ascend or Marriott premier plus). It makes sense for the top tier cards add value in the form of benefits and not sign-up offers, as the Amex wants loyalists not churners.

Leo
Leo

Of course 100k Marriott points is equal to nearly 200k Hilton Points.

tribesman55
tribesman55

Watch them not offer a sign up bonus on this card, same way Barclays did.

frogger
frogger

Well then they will get as many application as Barclay did. Really if there is no sign up bonus the business card is better.

Avi
Avi

I doubt if they have the balls to launch a $450 card with no sign-up bonus.

sdsearch
sdsearch

I expect them to have SOME signup bonus, but it could either be points OR free night certificates. The Chase Ritz card, which this sort of replaces (since the separate Ritz program per se is also going away), has been giving free night certificates instead of points as a signup bonus much of the past few years.

Ender
Ender

The non-category spend reward drooped 33% and the spend requirement for the new plat status (essentially the old gold status) more than doubled? No thank you.

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