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Jed
Jed (@guest_1732887)
November 8, 2023 16:02

If I understand this right you can still use an existing AI account to get this card you just can’t open any new AI accounts? I have the card currently but am think of dropping it for most of next year and then re-applying next December.

NewbieNoMore
NewbieNoMore (@guest_1645858)
July 2, 2023 16:19

I have this card for the last 2 years. Your thoughts if it is worth keeping 25 k plus in cash plus account. I get 1099 for $695. Centurion lounge is a good benefit plus a free AU.

David
David (@guest_1645917)
July 2, 2023 18:11

It’s not worth parking the funds there anymore, especially considering the current interest rate environment and the potential tax liability of the bonus.

Assuming you are meeting all the requirements of the account, here’s how things may *roughly* work out:

Parking $25k in account (not including the 5k DDs):
-$695 annual fee by Amex
+$695 engagement bonus
-1099-MISC sent by MS on the $695 (if you don’t end up deducting the annual fee as an expense, you end up paying federal/state taxes on the bonus)

~ You end up net negative ~$200 assuming a combined tax rate of ~30%.

Parking $25k in Treasury Bills:
-$695 annual fee by Amex
-$660 CashPlus monthly fees (12x$55)
+$695 engagement bonus
+$55 one courtesy fee waiver
+$1287.5 in interest (assuming 5.15%)
-$309 in federal taxes (no state tax on T-bills, assuming 24% bracket)

~ You end up net positive $370, or a little over $310 even without a courtesy fee waiver. Even in the worst-case scenario where Morgan Stanley sends a 1099-MISC with the $695 without deducting other fees (which seemingly they don’t do unless it’s over +$600), the interest surplus should still be able to cover those tax implications with extra to spare.

NewbieNoMore
NewbieNoMore (@guest_1646321)
July 3, 2023 10:45

David, I appreciate your detailed post, very nicely explained.
I do not want to deal with treasury bill ( looks like lot of work), but if I move the 25k plus to amex savings 4% (find it easy to move in/out money), it might be same as case 1 because I will have to pay 30% on the $1000 plus interest I gained.

Does it sound correct?

Also $55 fee waiver is one time benefit or once in a year?
TIA!

David
David (@guest_1646567)
July 3, 2023 16:35

Treasury Bills are extremely easy and you can treat them like short-term CDs (except T-bills don’t have state taxes). You sign up for an account on TreasuryDirect, and then link your bank account. You can select the duration of the bill you want to buy, and then once the rate is determined, they will withdraw that money from your bank account with a discount (the discount is what you get as interest). You can also select automatic reinvestment options in which then every time the bill matures, you get your interest payment deposited into your bank account. The shortest bill is 4 weeks, but you can pick slightly longer ones for better interest rates (even the 4-week one is above 5% right now). Since you are parking money in Morgan Stanley, this really isn’t much different except you really can’t pull the money out before the bill matures (unless you are affected by a public emergency). — in some way, you can kind of consider TreasuryDirect as a separate bank account you are opening, and they are interacting with your linked bank account just like how you would do with your Amex savings (except there isn’t ATM or any other access to the funds via that bank).

If you put it in a savings account, you will get a 1099-INT subject to federal and state taxes. But doing so is still better because you still get the engagement bonus if you paid your CashPlus monthly fees. It would be similar to case 2 except you paid more in taxes because 1099-INT is not exempt from local and state taxes.

The $55 should be a one-time deal, but I do not know if they will reset it if you go back to meeting your criteria again.

APK
APK (@guest_1734458)
November 10, 2023 12:51

IF you do not want to deal with TreasuryDirect (I don’t, due to bad experience in setting up the account with no help!), it is very easy to buy them through Schwab or Fidelity (probably others as well), almost similar to buying a CD. I buy it in the secondary market – the yield to maturity is spelled out — and just hold them till maturity. Typically have a ladder maturing every three months. You get alerts when one is coming up for maturity and you just buy another one. Basically a 5 min exercise every three months.

Mjz
Mjz (@guest_1734467)
November 10, 2023 13:06

What should I search for to find them in Schwab?

Linux
Linux (@guest_1629623)
June 6, 2023 06:16

How about I put $25k in their CD account? Will I eligible for the bonus?

Thanks

David
David (@guest_1629773)
June 6, 2023 12:40

Nope, you must use the CashPlus account that earns essentially no interest for you to be eligible for the bonus. You either pay $55 monthly for it without putting monies in or put $25k avg bal + $5k DD to waive the monthly fee.

geo
geo (@guest_1597626)
April 14, 2023 12:23

i have a etrade broker account that is owned by morgan stanley should I apply for this card? and have the fee waived later?

I already have amex plat and amex charles schwab lmao.

David
David (@guest_1597706)
April 14, 2023 13:33

You need an actual Morgan Stanley account to qualify.

David
David (@guest_1561235)
February 21, 2023 22:11

For people who signed up around the time Morgan Stanley did their bait and switch, the 1099-MISC they sent for this year is incorrect and includes one additional CashPlus bonus you did not receive. They have just issued the corrected 1099-MISC for the correct amounts today.

wsupnic
wsupnic (@guest_1547426)
February 1, 2023 18:42

For those going the route of paying the $55 monthly fee, because the engagement bonus is only effective for renewals, that would mean I would effectively pay $695 + $660 = $1355 for the first year, then every subsequent year would be $695 – $695 + $660 = $660? Unsure if I could justify paying the fees for the first year, or even parking $25k for a year to waive the $660.

Phil C
Phil C (@guest_1547301)
February 1, 2023 16:39

I just reviewed the site and terms and conditions and it seems like you don’t have to have a brokerage account. It seems like you only need the checking account. Is that accurate? If not, where does it state you need to maintain a brokerage to receive the annual engagement bonus?

Rohit
Rohit (@guest_1548158)
February 2, 2023 14:10

You couldn’t open the Cashplus account without a brokerage account.

Daniel
Daniel (@guest_1548595)
February 3, 2023 01:23

Ok makes sense. Any idea if I have to keep the investment account open? Could I drop the investment account after a year and still keep the cashplus account and qualify for the annual engagement bonus.

HarryTheFirstHarry
HarryTheFirstHarry (@guest_1546858)
February 1, 2023 10:14

Chime 1099 came out today online. The 100 bonus gets a 1099INT. Login to your account (still open) and under tax documents.
Citi Business and Citi Personal both closed accounts yet to get 1099. Called for it and was asked to wait till 15 Feb.

HarryTheFirstHarry
HarryTheFirstHarry (@guest_1547435)
February 1, 2023 18:50

Wrong thread. Should have posted to the 1099 thread.

Neal
Neal (@guest_1545691)
January 30, 2023 21:26

FWIW I avoided all Cashplus fees by maintaining 25K plus the monthly $5K infusions. I received the full $695 engagement bonus. I have the minimum $5000 in AI so total fee over the year probably wouldn’t have been $50.

I have not received a 1099 – I was expecting one based on this post but nothing so far (and nothing in the tax center).

Neal
Neal (@guest_1557770)
February 16, 2023 11:59

Followup – I indeed received a 1099, issued around 2/15

Ivo SIo
Ivo SIo (@guest_1542344)
January 26, 2023 08:52

I opened Access Investing on Oct 3 2022, and AMEX Platinum Morgan Stanley on Oct 20 2022. If I want to get the $695 Engagement Bonus, can I just open CashPlus account now? or I need to closed AMEX Platinum Morgan Stanley first, then open CashPlus account, and finally reopen AMEX Platinum Morgan Stanley? Thanka