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Joe
Joe (@guest_2044648)
April 15, 2025 21:33

I looked into financial report of gainbridge & Canvas annuity on weissratings.com

For Gainbridge
Invested Assets
$188.56M
It says on their website “Gainbridge is a proud subsidiary of Group 1001” but nowhere it says it will back then in case of financial trouble.

For Canvas annuity
Invested Assets
$288.70M

They look too small companies compared to other insurance companies assets.
I don’t know in case of financial difficulties they are able to weather the storm.

Does anyone has opinion?

PaulinTexas
PaulinTexas (@guest_1990956)
January 24, 2025 11:50

Just got an email from Canvas about a Limited Time Rate Special for their Future Fund | Canvas Annuity

$2,500 Min Deposit

  • 3 Year Term 6.00%
  • 5 Year Term 6.15%
  • 7 Year Term 6.20%
gli
gli (@guest_2017182)
March 5, 2025 14:22

I would have jumped on this but this is the one where you do not pay tax until it ends and cannot access the funds until retirement age (if I recall correctly). Just something to keep in mind (as opposed to the Gainbridge option that allows access prior to retirement withOUT any fees etc.. Great info – thank you.

Joe
Joe (@guest_2044649)
April 15, 2025 21:34

I looked into financial report of gainbridge & Canvas annuity on weissratings.com

For Gainbridge
Invested Assets
$188.56M
It says on their website “Gainbridge is a proud subsidiary of Group 1001” but nowhere it says it will back then in case of financial trouble.

For Canvas annuity
Invested Assets
$288.70M

They look too small companies compared to other insurance companies assets.
I don’t know in case of financial difficulties they are able to weather the storm.

What’s your take?

Jennifer ✝️🦁🕊️🙏🐘
Jennifer ✝️🦁🕊️🙏🐘 (@guest_1969489)
December 13, 2024 14:01

does anyone know if annuities are ALWAYS taxed? meaning, for example, I’m 52, living off savings, no income, therefore I pay no taxes, due to the income i have from bonuses and cd interest isn’t high enough to be taxed. If I bought an annuity now, at age 52, would I have to pay any taxes or penalties on an annuity? I’m interested in buying some annuities, but not if there’s automatically a tax on them. And do I still have to worry about 59 1/2 age? I just really don’t understand how this works.

PaulinTexas
PaulinTexas (@guest_1969631)
December 13, 2024 17:33

Jennifer ✝️🦁🕊️🙏🐘 – The real question is why do you want to buy an Annuity? Interest earned on an annuity is either taxed when withdrawn or taxed annually just like a CD. If you wanted an annuity to be tax free, it would have to inside a Roth IRA.

Here are two posts that I wrote that you might want to read:

Canvas MYGA #1781201 , which is tax deferred meaning you won’t get taxed on the interest until you withdraw it and yes, there are penalties if you withdraw anything prior to 59 1/2.Gainbridge Fastbreak MYGA #1835854 which is taxed annually, just like a CD. This MYGA is useful for someone who is younger than 59 1/2 looking for a better return than most CDs with the ability to withdraw up to 10% of the policy value annually after the 1st policy year. So, it sounds like this might be something for you to consider.tuphat Just posted #1969418 about an increase in the Gainbridge rates.

Bottom line: Don’t rush into purchasing a MYGA until you understand what your buying & what it will and won’t do for you. You don’t want to lock up funds you’ll need during the contract period. The rule of thumb is not to invest more that 50% of your liquid funds.

I bought my annuities primarily for principal protection and for the contractual guaranteed rate of return & to help control my taxes as needed.

You also might want to visit Stan the Annuity Mans website. Lots of entertaining/informative videos and educational material.

Jennifer ✝️🦁🕊️🙏🐘
Jennifer ✝️🦁🕊️🙏🐘 (@guest_1970093)
December 15, 2024 00:06

This comment must have been in moderation or something. I only just now received the email notification for this one, AFTER i received your repost of it, below it. Even though this one is dated yesterday. Lots of comments going to spam and moderation. I had 3 go earlier today when discussing the treasury direct funding. Anyway, thanks paul, I appreciate you.

PaulinTexas
PaulinTexas (@guest_1970167)
December 15, 2024 09:24

Jennifer ✝️🦁🕊️🙏🐘 – Yes, it went to spam/moderation which is why I reposted. I think that happened because I had to edit a link. My guess is it was released as part of the review  Chuck or  William Charles did because of the issues you were having.

PaulinTexas
PaulinTexas (@guest_1969871)
December 14, 2024 11:50

Jennifer ✝️🦁🕊️🙏🐘 The real question is why do you want to buy an Annuity?

Interest earned on an annuity is either taxed when withdrawn or taxed annually just like a CD. If you wanted an annuity to be tax free, it would have to inside a Roth IRA.

Here are two posts you might want to read:

  • Canvas MYGA  #1781201 , which is tax deferred meaning you won’t get taxed on the interest until you withdraw it and yes, there are penalties if you withdraw anything prior to 59 1/2.

 

  • Gainbridge Fastbreak MYGA #1835854 which is taxed annually, just like a CD. This MYGA is useful for someone who is younger than 59 1/2 looking for a better return than most CDs with the ability to withdraw up to 10% of the policy value annually after the 1st policy year. So, it sounds like this might be something for you to consider. tuphat just posted #1969418 about an increase in the Gainbridge rates.

 
Bottom line: Don’t rush into purchasing a MYGA until you understand what your buying & what it will and won’t do for you. You don’t want to lock up funds you’ll need during the contract period. The rule of thumb is not to invest more that 50% of your liquid funds.

I bought my annuities primarily for principal protection and for the contractual guaranteed rate of return & to help control my taxes as needed.

You also might want to visit Stan the Annuity Mans website. Lots of entertaining/informative videos and educational material.

Jennifer ✝️🦁🕊️🙏🐘
Jennifer ✝️🦁🕊️🙏🐘 (@guest_1970075)
December 14, 2024 22:50

I was thinking of the 10 year annuity because rates will probably drop to 2% or lower like what we were getting before. I would like to lock in rates while rates are higher.

The amount of money I was thinking of putting in is only $100k. I have no income, so I only pay taxes on my cd interest and bank bonus interest. That amount is always lower than the standard deduction so I don’t ever have to pay taxes.

When I used to have mutual funds, there was a mandatory 20% capital gains tax i had to pay. What i was asking, is an annuity taxed like interest on a cd, which would mean I would owe no taxes, or is it taxed similarly to mutual funds, where you pay taxes on it regardless?

PaulinTexas
PaulinTexas (@guest_1970088)
December 14, 2024 23:46

Jennifer ✝️🦁🕊️🙏🐘 The interest is taxed as ordinary income, & should be reported on a 1099-INT just like a CD or interest on a checking/savings account.

For your age, you would get a Gainbridge MYGA. You won’t have to pull out any interest, unless you want to, because you will get a 1099-INT every year, just like a CD.

Like a CD there are penalties if you withdraw more than 10% each contract year, or if you need the funds and have to surrender/cash out the contract. I don’t have that info in front of me, but you can view it on their site.

Jennifer ✝️🦁🕊️🙏🐘
Jennifer ✝️🦁🕊️🙏🐘 (@guest_1970090)
December 14, 2024 23:55

Thank you paul. You’ve been a wealth of knowledge on this topic, and I really appreciate you sharing it all here.

Im not sure I will do it, but I’m strongly considering it. I remember for so long, just 2% interest rates. It seems great to lock in high rates for 10 years, but I have always just used hysa instead, and recently, cds, but those are all short term ones.

It seems silly for me to NOT lock in high rates for 10 years but at the same time, it also seems silly TO lock in rates for 10 years. Hope that comment makes sense.

PaulinTexas
PaulinTexas (@guest_1970178)
December 15, 2024 10:05

Jennifer ✝️🦁🕊️🙏🐘 Yes, it makes complete sense. Ten years is a long time, and you need to carefully weigh the pros/cons.

Just like CDs, you could create a MYGA ladder 3,5,7,10 etc. and spread the money out. Just food for thought.

BN
BN (@guest_1968842)
December 12, 2024 16:03

PSA : For those who invested in the Gainbridge Fastbreak MYGA, December 16 is the last date to request withdrawal (interest or partial) for this tax year.
You have to call in and they will email you an online withdrawal doc to sign and submit.

Bo
Bo (@guest_1964000)
December 4, 2024 16:20

I think I’m little bit late in the game. Anyway, does anyone have good products on annuities with tax deferred currently? Thanks in advance!

PaulinTexas
PaulinTexas (@guest_1964056)
December 4, 2024 17:43
  Bo

Bo Here are the current Canvas rates:

Future Fund

3 Year Term 5.75%
5 Year Term 6.00%
7 Year Term 6.05%

Flex Fund

3 Year Term 5.25%
5 Year Term 5.50%
7 Year Term 5.55%

Lots of info in this post about Canvas and it’s Multi-Year Guaranteed Annuities (MYGA). I own three.

Bo
Bo (@guest_1965696)
December 6, 2024 17:05

Thank YOU so much PaulinTexas! The rates are very attractive. I’m planning to purchase some.

Bo
Bo (@guest_1966391)
December 8, 2024 08:55

I purchased two today. Thanks again! I know this post is for MYGA. But do you know any good fixed indexed annuities by any chance? Thanks in advance!

PaulinTexas
PaulinTexas (@guest_1966564)
December 8, 2024 18:08
  Bo

Bo I highly recommend you subscribe to Stan the Annuity Man’s YouTube channel & visit his site Stan The Annuity Man® | Brutally Honest Facts About Annuities. He has online tools to run quotes across all carriers & his team will help guide you based on “What do you want the money to contractually do and when do you want those contractual guarantees to start?” Stan is a real card & has a plethora amount of educational info on annuities. As Stan would say, if you can’t explain what you’re buying – don’t buy it!

Here’s one of his videos on Fixed Indexed Annuities –Hidden Truths & Facts About Fixed Index Annuities: Shootin’ It Straight With Stan

As you proceed, please provide an update on your journey 🙂

Bo
Bo (@guest_1966583)
December 8, 2024 18:45

Thank you so much for the information! I will take a look his YouTube channel and site!

Bo
Bo (@guest_1969848)
December 14, 2024 10:57

Updates: I purchased another annuity from Oceanview Life and Annuity Company. It’s a 10-Year Harbourview Fixed Indexed Annuity with 9.75% Fixed Rate for the first year. Several strategies can choose from on annuity anniversary. By the way, SP500 and Nasdaq cap is 10.75% currently. Of course, they can be changed anytime.

PaulinTexas
PaulinTexas (@guest_1969872)
December 14, 2024 11:54
  Bo

Bo Congrats!! Did you talk to Stan the Man, use his site, or do your own research before buying?

Bo
Bo (@guest_1969880)
December 14, 2024 12:15

I watched Stan’s some videos and learnt a lot from him. For the one I purchased, a friend of mine mentioned it to me, then I did some research as well. Thanks!

Tom
Tom (@guest_1921913)
September 30, 2024 12:22

At the end of 5 year (say have a 5 yr contract), what is the renewal rate for Gainbridge and Canvas annuity? I didn’t find this info except that it might be auto rolled into next term by default.

PaulinTexas
PaulinTexas (@guest_1922122)
September 30, 2024 17:51

Tom The renewal rate will be whatever the current rate is that they are offering. However, Canvas does have a guaranteed minimum interest rate (GMIR) of 3% and Gainbridge’s guaranteed rate is 1%.

tuphat
tuphat (@guest_1927166)
October 7, 2024 09:51

I think it’s important to set yourself a reminder 30 days ahead of contract maturity, to make sure you don’t get blindsided by automatic renewal. My sense is that the post-maturity grace period familiar in the CD World isn’t as readily available in MYGA World.

tuphat
tuphat (@guest_1917676)
September 23, 2024 12:51

FWIW — Thanks in part to some very helpful info from commenters below, I went from a MYGA skeptic to a believer. My personal profile: over 59.5 yo, looking to invest cash that otherwise would likely go into CDs, trying to lock in favorable rates. Because of a concern about creditworthiness of issuers, I wound up having phone discussions with directors of two state guaranty associations (my state and my mom’s), who answered questions, provided some generic advice, etc.

;tldr — Thanks to everyone here that helped educate me. “You don’t know what you don’t know.”

John
John (@guest_1919286)
September 25, 2024 17:11

Which insurance companies did you buy your annuities from?

tuphat
tuphat (@guest_1927162)
October 7, 2024 09:44

Apologies for delayed response. I went with Gainbridge.

PaulinTexas
PaulinTexas (@guest_1915336)
September 19, 2024 16:18

Got an email announcement from Canvas that rates are dropping on 1 October. The new rates will be:

Canvas Future Fund:

3-yr – 6.20% No Change
5-yr – 6.25% currently 6.35% (-.10%
7-yr – 6.30% currently 6.55% (-.25%)

Canvas Flex Fund

3-yr – 5.65% currently 5.75% (-.10)
5-yr – 5.70% currently 5.90% (-.20)
7-yr – 5.75% currently 6.10% (-.35)

A couple of strategies:

  1. If you think you might be interested, you can purchase a contract now and then you have 30 days to cancel the policy with no penalties. However, if you cancel, they do not pay interest on the funds during the “free look” timeframe.
  1. If you don’t have the funds, but are interested, then select send a check & you then have 30 days to send them the check, plus an additional 30 days “free Look” where you can get your money back.
PaulinTexas
PaulinTexas (@guest_1920571)
September 27, 2024 15:05

I decided to take my own advice – P2 just applied for another Canvas 7-yr, 6.55% Future Fund Annuity. This is a Multi-year Guaranteed Annuity (MYGA) that protects your principle and contractually guarantees the interest rate for the contract term. This annuity is designed for folks who will be at least 59 1/2 before they make any withdrawal.

Applied via Applicant Portal instead of Fast Application. Why? So, the funding method could be changed from Wire or Check to ACH (Plaid) once funds are available. ** Warning ** If you apply using the Fast Application, you cannot change funding methods and would have to reapply and get the rates that were then available.

Your last day to get the current rates is 9/30 – then they drop. Here’s an example of the interest impacts based on a $100,000 Annuity.

% —— Annual —— Monthly ——–1yr Diff — —-7yr Diff
6.55 — $6,550 —— $545.83
5 ——- $5,000 —— $416.67 ——- $1,550 ——- $10,850
4 ——- $4,000 —— $333.33 ——- $2,550 ——- $17,850
3 ——- $3,000 —— $250.00 ——- $3,550 ——- $24,850

Were already at or below 5% and it’s only going down from here.

You can also withdrawal up to 10% of you contract value each contract year w/o paying any surrender charges.

  • Don’t have more than 50% of liquid funds in Annuities
  • Only use excess funds that you won’t need during the contract term
  • Don’t withdraw anything until you’re at least 59 1/2 or you will get hit with a 10% IRS penalty.
  • Keep annual withdrawals at 10% or less or you pay a surrender charge
Jared
Jared (@guest_1908777)
September 10, 2024 13:26

Well, I just opened a 3 year MYGA with Gainbridge. I’m 47 and one of my CDs matures this week, so I’m parking that same allotment into the FastBreak option. This is new territory for me, so I’m treading carefully. The application process went smoothly. I’ll provide updates if I run into any unforeseen issues.

Y.B
Y.B (@guest_1914541)
September 18, 2024 14:29

Jared, I was wondering if you could elaborate on your experience opening the annuity with Gainbridge. Did your process continue to run smoothly?

Jared
Jared (@guest_1915173)
September 19, 2024 11:06

It took 3 full business days for the account to fund via Plaid, but they mentioned that would be the case right after I initiated the deposit, and I would not lose out on any interest for those 3 days, which I didn’t. So, it did go smoothly.

tuphat
tuphat (@guest_1917735)
September 23, 2024 14:00

My experience w/ Gainbridge similar: smooth but a little slow in funding. Per discussion w/ their CS desk, rate is locked on application date.

tuphat
tuphat (@guest_1906972)
September 7, 2024 14:08

Canvas has B++ credit rating (“Good”) from AM Best. What’s that mean in practical terms, other than it’s not as good as “Superior” or “Excellent,” but it’s better than “Fair”?

In bond terms, I don’t think it would be considered investment grade.

tuphat
tuphat (@guest_1906991)
September 7, 2024 15:38

Also, FWIW — For a broad comparison, I took a look at IBHH, which is the iShares 2028 fixed duration ETF for BBB/HY bonds. It’s got an avg YTM of 6.91%, a WAM of 3.13 yrs and an underlying portfolio of 237 issuers, none of which make up over 2% of total. So … purely in terms of credit quality/default risk, IBHH’s diversification makes it a better bet, imho.

Karl
Karl (@guest_1907112)
September 8, 2024 00:12

A bond wouldn’t be insured to $250k.

tuphat
tuphat (@guest_1911328)
September 13, 2024 15:50

Neither are MYGAs issued by companies like Gainbridge and Canvas. As the latter’s website says, they’re “backed by the financial strength of the company” — like a bond.

Karl
Karl (@guest_1911537)
September 13, 2024 23:07

Check with your state. Mine and most others insure these MYGAs up to $250K. California is less.

Similar to FDIC for banks, but this is by state instead of federal. That’s what makes them comparable to CDs.

Bonds have no such insurance so they are not comparable.

tuphat
tuphat (@guest_1911791)
September 14, 2024 14:36

Thanks for the insight & education.

tuphat
tuphat (@guest_1912162)
September 15, 2024 10:45

Also, FWIW & on further research — In my state (Virginia), insurance companies & their agents are prohibited by state law (§38.2-1715) from advertising, or making any written or oral statement, with respect to coverage by the guaranty association. File under: Best Kept Secrets?

Mike
Mike (@guest_1917616)
September 23, 2024 11:19

Here is a link you might find useful:

The National Organization of Life and Health Insurance Guaranty Associations
https://www.nolhga.com/home.cfm

My state is also $250,000. Note, this is per person, per insurance company. So, if married, each spouse could be insured for up to $250,000 with the same insurance company. For additional MYGA insurance coverage, you would need to purchase from an additional company. I ladder these products as part of my fixed income strategy – treasuries and CD’s for shorter maturities, MYGA’s for longer maturities.