Posted by William Charles on January 27, 2020
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Published on January 27th, 2020 | by William Charles

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Recap: Service Animal Restrictions, AmEx Reaches Parity & More

 

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” It’s a shame that there has been so many people abusing this that they have had to change the rules.”

Yeah. We can say the same about credit card sign up bonuses

SamL
SamL

No, your analogy is terrible. Credit card sign up bonuses are more like discounted airfares.

Emotional support animals was more for narcissists demanding extremes of special treatment.

Celia
Celia

There are legitimate people using emotional support animals. Not everyone lives a perfect life.

But I am sure that there are some that take advantage of something like this. Which is a shame to hurt it for those that actually need it.

lilurbanachiever
lilurbanachiever

Want to bring your cujo on a plane ? Buy a whole row and make sure it is leashed and muzzled. Better yet, use a private jet or charter a flight with other animal lovers. There is a perfect emotional support tool available from your PCP, it is called drugs.

Celia
Celia

I’m not here to judge if someone needs the emotional support. I consider myself fortunate to be “relatively” sane. But at the same time, I have seen mental illness occur and can’t even imagine the terror of not being in control.

That said, I imagine that those who absolutely need that support aren’t able to afford a whole row or charter for the very same reason.

SamL
SamL

Well you should judge, and we all should. The world would be a much better place if we were all far more skeptical of extreme demands for special treatment.

Sarah D
Sarah D

Nobody lives a perfect live, and to suggest that some peoples emotional support animals are “medically necessary” while others aren’t seems like gatekeeping to me.

SamL
SamL

Well maybe the world needs a lot more “gatekeeping”.

MrObvious
MrObvious

Yes Snowflake.

Parkerthon
Parkerthon

Pets are not people and they’re not personal comfort accessories you can hoist on others either. You want to travel and not leave a pet at home or in a kennel? Don’t get a pet or pay someone to take care of it while you’re gone. Legitimate disabilities should have the right to assistance animals but only with the paperwork to prove it. The process for training those animals should be regulated and certified. If they can’t manage that than I don’t trust the animal is safe in crowded places with lots of other humans who all have the right to not be threatened or molested by a random nearby animal. I like pets, but I also know some are a nuisance, and many more trigger severe allergies. I am sympathetic of people that find emotional support in their pets but you can’t swing the door wide open like this. It’s causing serious issues for everyone else.

Get Over It
Get Over It

Peace be with those who think eliminating subgroups of travelers is the solution (“fly private or don’t travel!”)

Nope, that’s trolling at best and scapegoating at worst.

You fellas don’t like the occasional dog on your flight? Sheesh, how about someone farting the whole way on a 5-hour transcon? Or what about the lady who leaves her reading light on the entire 10-hour redeye? No wait, the kid incessantly kicking your seat or tapping on the screen? Oh, how about when someone brings on a smelly meal from the terminal?

Maybe YOU GUYS shouldn’t travel… flying is an incredible privilege. Let’s all get along.

Matt P
Matt P

It’s not occasionally anymore. I can’t remember the last time I took a flight with a fake service animal.

lilurbanachiever
lilurbanachiever

Flying is not a privilege in this day and age. Yeah, I’d like an open discussion and a vote on who gets to travel and how. There are quite a few loud animal-loving nuts and there is what feels like a silent majority of folks who are OK with pets, but who do not like to see dogs on planes, unless legitimately needed by blind folks. Oh, and on that subject, I’d like to see harsh-harsh fines on dog-owners who do not clean after their pets, with a percentage going for emotional distress to offended folks like me) In this day of ubiquitous surveillance that should be easy to implement. I get really depressed and micro-agressed by dog poop.

DogPoopLovr
DogPoopLovr

Let’s start the voting! As a majority we can say… segregate… the miniorty we don’t like. Great ideas, lilurbanachiever!

lilurbanachiever
lilurbanachiever

Ever heard of a concept called democracy, dogpooplovr ?

What’s...
What’s...

This whole thread smells like up-dog…

MoreSun
MoreSun

Feel bad for the people who need other service animals but this has definitely gotten ridiculous. The sooner they put this into practice the better.

Wilco
Wilco

On the bright side, pet owners who have been passing off their dogs as service animals will soon get to use their AMEX airline incidental fee reimbursement on their preferred airline… makes those pet fees more palatable, eh?

MoreSun
MoreSun

Until Amex excludes pet fees from being reimbursable lol

Ugh
Ugh

And when that happens… BONVOY’d

GetRealFolks
GetRealFolks

Peacocks and other odd animals on airplanes are just a red herring. That rarely if ever is a thing. Most animals are dogs and cats. Most owners are responsible.

However, airlines lose $125 on average every time someone requests ESA over paying fees to bring their pets.

This is and always has been about profits.

Mark
Mark

I don’t worry about whether someone else paid to check an extra bag. If I can get what I want out of the transaction, that’s just business.

Porthakia
Porthakia

Amex accepted as many places as MC and Visa? I prefer Amex, but no way is that true worldwide. Maybe it is in the US, but overseas hardly anyone takes Amex (only multinational corporations, if you’re lucky).

Even at official government run tour sites in a lot of countries, they’ll always claim the machine is broken… “cash only” and seem to take “their cut” unless you adamantly demand to pay by card, but even then, no Amex (recent example: Petra in Jordan).

YoniPDX

Trip to South Africa last month found AmEx accepted about 50% of the time at stores and restaurants -Yet ZA is actually pretty advanced on the FinTech end they have had mobile pay for quite some time.

Its great that more places accept Amex, I do wish that it was more prevalent tho.

Porthakia
Porthakia

The people of South Africa are some of the most innovative and entrepreneurial I’ve seen. Loved a visit we took to Cape Town a few years back. Camps Bay was magical. Great exchange rate for USD.

artgriego
artgriego

Even in the US I don’t see how it can be true. I regularly see places that only take V/MC, but I have NEVER seen somewhere that accepts Amex only, so I don’t understand how it could balance out.

PT
PT

I never see places anymore that are only Visa/MC. Even 10 years ago when I first got Amex, I tracked acceptance & 95% of the places I went took Amex. Most of the places I go are ordinary places, not high-end.

In fact, there are 4 restaurants in the area I encountered that take Amex but NOT Discover (1 local independent burger place, Panera Bread, & 2 more expensive places). There is one parking lot that I know of that takes Discover but NOT Amex. There is one independent Italian restaurant that was around 20+ years without Amex (but took Visa/MC/Discover), but started taking Amex in 2015 after they opened a second location.

Historically, I understand there have been some NYC restaurants that were Amex-only, but I only know of two remaining, Tomoe Sushi (health grade C in 2019) and Piacere (ATM in the bathroom). Of 3 others I was tracking, 1 started taking other cards in 2017, 1 started taking other cards in 2016 but closed that same year, & 1 closed without changing.

aubergine
aubergine

Maybe Amex is accepted at the same number of businesses as MC/V but they’re not the same type of businesses. A fancy high end boutique selling mink coats isn’t something I really care about. On the day to day stuff – utilities, education, doctors etc – I find that Amex has poor acceptance. I would not be able to get by in daily life carrying only an Amex.

Maybe 20-30 years ago I used to run into the occasional merchant who was Amex only, a few really good restaurants, Costco etc. I never experience that now.

Walk around the average strip mall in America, and compare the front door stickers. Amex is in places where luxury/discretionary spending is happening.

Burton

Agree – I don’t recall ever shopping at a place AmEx worked but Visa wasn’t accepted. I can think of dozens of times over just the last year when we wanted to use AmEx but it wasn’t an option.

aubergine
aubergine

I once lived in a place where it seemed like all the sushi restaurants were Amex only. It was crazy. That changed eventually. Only place where I ever experienced that, except for Costco.

Porthakia
Porthakia

Amex only?! I’ve only been to once place like that: Ethiopian-French place in Greenwich Village. No silverware, Amex only. Delicious!

lilurbanachiever
lilurbanachiever

In-and-out used to be amex only, they take everything now. If anything, it feels like amex is losing its edge not gaining parity.

PT
PT

I find that nearly 100% of US businesses I run across in-person & online take all 4 of the big card networks. These are not high end places at all & include even the deep discount grocery store & Dollar Tree. I am actually surprised in the very few times they refuse my Amex or Discover.

Admittedly, the local burger place takes Amex but has no sticker advertising it because they prefer to take Visa/MC as they let me know, but they also flatout refuse Discover.

Strangely, I have found Discover is the card that has acceptance issues for me in places where Amex works. Even still, this is only at 4 restaurants & 2 parking lots, so still pretty rare out of everything.

PG&E (electric & gas utility) takes (for $1.35 flat fee) Visa, MasterCard, Discover, Amex, & even UnionPay works! I’ve used it as part of my signup bonus spend for Amex cards.

Travelers
Travelers

If you think Amex is bad overseas, try Discover… merchants be like: “WTF is this?”

PEK
PEK

Ahh, how quaint. You two must have never heard of Union Pay.

bax
bax

Wake me up when AmexGC gets nearly as easy to liquidate as VGC/MCGC.

Noop Noop
Noop Noop

This guy gets it.

Joe
Joe

Peanut allergy: announcements to not open your own snacks on board, no service for the 3 rows in front of and behind the person, and obviously the flight won’t serve anything with nuts.

Pet dander allergy: here’s a seat next to a dog.

Get Over It
Get Over It

You’re probably allergic to farts too…

Sarah D
Sarah D

The proposed rule gives individual airlines the option of restricting emotional support animals. Which really seems like the best option, let the market sort this out.

Get Over It
Get Over It

Haha, sarcasm I hope… it’ll go from airlines waiving pet fees (usually $125), to them charging them for ESA and service animals alike. Just more profit for airlines, still dogs in cabins. Why root for something that’s more costly for people that may actually have a special need? Nope.

MrObvious
MrObvious

Terrific idea. I smell breed profiling coming up.

Shultz
Shultz

Let’s do people profiling. Oh, wait…

parkdanil
parkdanil

I’m always happy to get more credit on my cards. Gotta play to win. My current goal in this game is 100k in personal credit.

Well Done, Sire
Well Done, Sire

Awesome goal! And get some extra players, spouse, parents, kids in the game. Your bonuses and referrals grow exponentially.

Shame!
Shame!

Either people are trolling hard here or there is a lot more hate towards pets and pet-owners than I ever expected from this community.

SamL
SamL

It’s not about pets. It’s about people with personality disorders having their extreme sense of entitlement fully catered to.

Shame!
Shame!

If people go through the trouble to get doctors notes and fill out necessary paperwork with their respective airlines, that seems like enough red tape to me. Extra fees (bring pets as opposed to ESA or service animals) only benefit airlines’ bottom lines at the detriment of people who may need those animals with them (whether for travel or at their destination). Dogs are gonna be in cabins regardless. These proposed updates to federal guidelines do not reduce entitled people.

SamL
SamL

It’s not so much about reducing entitled people, as disempowering them.

Wink
Wink

Sounds like you both need emotional support… maybe get a dog, or go on a vacation, how about both? haha…

SamL
SamL

@”Wink”
Does your dog changes its name as often as you do?

Wink
Wink

Ah, the notorious troll, SamL… when you can’t argue substance, attack the person, gaslight, gatekeep, or share a whataboutism. I still think you two could use a pooch!

lilurbanachiever
lilurbanachiever

You can get these “notes” online for like 50 bucks. Actually, I am happy with extra fees, right now I am subsidizing your flying cujo. That is another angle. Why should I be paying for extra weight and cleanup ?

Mark
Mark

Those notes are a scam. If people want to bring their pets on airlines, they should pay the damn pet fee. Just like checking an over-sized bag or selecting a specific seat.

YoniPDX

Huge difference between Service animals (including miniature horses) are an ADA issue. Where as ESA are a comfort issue – flying is a privilege not a right, just like driving.

Service animals are highly trained and rarely if ever misbehave, or attack people or other animals.

I do think that people have pushed the limits with aggressive dog breeds or exotic animals.

FlyTheFriendlySkies
FlyTheFriendlySkies

Millions of people fly every day. Likely thousands of animals with them. We only hear in the news about the lady with the peacock or when a dog dies. Tragic. Why? Because it’s like a shark attack. Great clickbait. Gets people worked up.

AMS
AMS

How about regular-sized horses? I think KLM still does that on the 747-combi.

Shane
Shane

Not a fan of these regs as it affects genuine service animals IE Guide Dogs for blind folks. Requiring an extra hour for checkin at the airport precludes online checkin. It also creates problems where you have a connection on a separate airline.

Peasants!
Peasants!

People complaining about dogs on flights are like the overly-eager guy at the gate who is upset that the wheelchairs get to go before First Class… like, maybe disabled people need more time or assistance… but, no, THAT guy’s pissed, because he paid four times what those peasants paid.

MehBahNod
MehBahNod

My personal favorite: when the person behind you uses your seat to get up. Like, here you are resting on a 13 hour redeye in economy and *bam* guy rattles you awake. Dude, use your own chair to get up!

Mark
Mark

Stop conflating people who actually need assistance with those who want to save a few bucks and not pay their fair share.

What Gives?
What Gives?

While we’re at it, let’s ban crying kids, old farts, and people with attitudes from planes… /s

Mark
Mark

If you want to bring your pet, pay the pet fee and keep them in their travel bags. This isn’t hard.

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