Posted by William Charles on March 30, 2018
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Published on March 30th, 2018 | by William Charles

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Barclays Arrival Premier [Details Leaked: No Sign Up Bonus/Conversion Possible]

Update 5: Card is now live, full details here.

Update 4: We have another leak. Some additional information:

  • There will be NO sign up bonus on this card
  • It won’t be possible to product change existing Arrival/Arrival Plus cards to this card initially. They want to see how many people will apply without a sign up bonus/possibility of conversion. If enough people complain/numbers are low enough they will allow conversions. This seems especially strange considering the terms of the Arrival Premier state:
    • You may not be eligible for this offer if you currently have or previously had an account with us in the Arrival, Arrival Plus and/or Arrival Premier programs.
  • Card will be launched April 2018

Update 3: We now have another leak. This confirms most details we already knew, including the ability to transfer points to travel partners, annual spending bonuses and more. Also confirmation the card earns 2x on all purchases with no caps. Sadly no information on who the transfer partners are or what the sign up bonus will be.

Update 2: Frequent Miler is reporting that transfers to travel partners are confirmed via an unnamed source. Barclaycard currently has co-branded partnerships with the following travel partners:

  • American Airlines
  • Frontier Airlines
  • Hawaiian Airlines
  • JetBlue
  • Lufthansa
  • Wyndham
  • Choice hotels

They have also had partnerships with Aer Lingus, China Airlines, and Icelandair in the past. For me the big one will be whether points transfer to American Airlines or not. Citi has been unable to secure American Airlines as a transfer partner for their Citi ThankYou point program largely due to cost so it will be interesting to see if Barclays is able to secure AA or not. I’d love to have Wyndham as a transfer partner as all their properties cost a flat 15,000 points per night.

Hopefully existing Barclaycard Arrival Plus points transfer over to the travel partners and even Uber points too (4x transferable points on dining purchases? Thank you very much).

Update: Multiple customer service representatives are now confirming that this card will be launched. Here’s what some readers have been told so far

  • Annual fee of $150
  • Global entry credit
  • Annual spend bonuses:
    • 15,000 bonus points after $15,000 in spend
    • An additional 10,000 bonus points after an additional $10,000 in annual spend

The annual spend bonus is ongoing and is in addition to the sign up bonus (no clue what this is as of yet). If anybody is able to find out any additional information please share it in the comments below.

Original post: File this under highly speculative, but reddit user Joelvis2000 reports calling in to ask about the annual fee on the Barclaycard Arrival Plus. The customer service representative apparently said that there is a new version coming out on April 1st called ‘Barclay Arrival Premiere’, apparently requiring spend of $15,000 for a big bonus before following up with “oops, you don’t need to know that.” Keep in mind two things:

Barclaycard also talked about the possibility of airline partners sometime in 2018, originally this was in reference to the Barclaycard Uber card but they also mentioned ‘other card products’.  Honestly in recent times Barclaycard’s Arrival Plus product has become largely irrelevant apart from when it was offering an increased sign up bonus whereas in the past it was always one of the top recommended cards.

I love these types of rumors, trying to connect the dots and find out information is probably my favorite thing to blog about. I know some readers hate them and this post in particular is highly speculative and could easily be false/early April fools but hopefully people don’t begrudge me this indulgence too much. If anybody has any information they want to share, please get in touch.

 



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Ben
Ben

Makes a ton of sense. Barclays already has several travel partners: JetBlue, AA, Hawaiian, Frontier, Lufthansa, Wyndham (each with a co-branded card). If they could leverage these relationships to create a true transferable points currency, that would instantly be much more interesting. It’s not the best lineup of partners in the world, but to a layperson having AA as the “anchor” partner would make them at least as compelling as Citi ThankYou points.

Speaking of, maybe this is why Citi TYP have never transferred to AA despite the relationship there — AA might have committed to Barclays or otherwise been holding out for better terms from them.

$15K min spend spend sounds nuts for a personal card — have we ever seen that?

Chucks
Chucks

>15K min spend spend sounds nuts for a personal card — have we ever seen that?

What about the British Airways 100k offer that gave up that much after $20k spend? Otherwise the AA executive had a 100k after $10k…there probably are others.

There’s also a ton of cards that offer up some bonus for hitting a target of $15k or more in spend annually- Delta Reserve, SPG cards, Aviator Silver, Ritz JetBlue all offer something.

Terri Clark
Terri Clark

The question for me would be how long do I have to hit that 15K-six months, a year? Then would the points outweigh opportunity cost if I am foregoing other cards? Fun speculation!

Shaun
Shaun

That would be interesting if it was worth it. Just work on min spend for a year, let my inquiries cool off for a bit.

Parts Unknown
Parts Unknown

If $15k is the actual MSR then I would imagine it would be more like the BA card from Chase or something similar, $5k in 3 months gets you X, $10k over the next year gets you X more.

Miles
Miles

Supposedly AA was willing but wanted a price much higher than Citi was willing to pay.

frogger
frogger

Perhaps this is why Citi is letting people get multiple AA cards and given out so many points. Maybe their relationship is ending. Citi seems to want to get away from rewards and focus on people who carry balances instead.

Miles
Miles

This was a while ago, I believe Citi has since renewed their agreement with AA.

Mike
Mike

Every bank always wants to get away from rewards and focus on people who carry balances.

JMR0303
JMR0303

Well, not every bank, otherwise charge cards wouldn’t continue to exist.

Chucks
Chucks

If it’s an April Fool’s joke it’s a good one. Totally makes sense given Chase, Amex, BOA, US Bank, ?HSBC? all stepping up their premium card offerings in the last year or two.

WR
WR

I like these kind of posts too, please keep them up. I like them a lot better than the “$50 checking signup bonus, only available in fleaspeck, kansas” kind of posts.

I’m hoping this is true, it’s one more option for a PC of my soon to be defunct Commence card.

JuicyJosh
JuicyJosh

You can always subscribe to your narrow focused feed if scrolling over a post proves difficult.

ShareTheLove
ShareTheLove

complaining about a complaint post. fascinating

JuicyJosh
JuicyJosh

No complaints in my statement. Simply addressing OPs comment with a value added response. Happy to clear up your confusion.

Bryant
Bryant

I can confirm this card is coming out. I spoke with a rep this morning that told me It’s going to be called the arrival premiere mastercard it will launch on 3/30.

She didn’t know any info regarding the signup bonus tho

Elmer
Elmer

Absolute confirmation, since all customer service reps are known to be fully in the know. It may well be coming out, but I’d definitely not consider it “confirmed” from a front line rep!

MoreSun
MoreSun

Hope we see an upgrade offer on the Arrival Plus. There’s no way I’ll meet their new reqs for the new Arrival card…

15K is crazy though!

Emmanuel Ruiz
Emmanuel Ruiz

15K is an annual bonus spend. It is not the spend requirement to get the sign-up bonus which we have no idea what its going to be.

Frank
Frank

Can’t believe the most important question hasn’t been asking yet. Will this card be churnable?

Cheapblackdad
Cheapblackdad

Isn’t every Barclays card? Our family has had quite a few arrivals and American Airlines cards.

NinjaX
NinjaX

why is that the most important question?

i think the most important question is, will this card be metal ad comes in a nice box? and will this have priority pass with GE credit and airline credit @ $450 AF?

Elmer
Elmer

And maybe a $50 airline credit to boot!

Charlie
Charlie

A travel credit would be better than an airline credit. The worst of all would be an airline incidentals credit.

Charlie
Charlie

If Barclays is thinking ahead, they will make sure the card is not churnable.

frogger
frogger

Well hopefully if they have a new card you can get it if you have the Arrival Plus and isn’t subject to some sort of 6/24 nonsense. If they want me to spend 15k on their card it better be some heck of a bonus as well.

Dima

Any data points on how long it takes fto get off Barclay’s sh*t list? #askingforafriend 😉

My datapoint is at least over a year – I got shut down in April 2016, tried applying in April 2017 and got denied. Wondering if I should try this April.

Elias
Elias

How did you get there?

Phill
Phill

Real question is could this be a back door for those on that list….

NinjaX
NinjaX

everything is YMMV but Barc is for life. some get it after a few months even but backdoors still get shut down later.

Bill
Bill

I tried a Barclays app a few months back. I picked up a few Barclays cards over the years, but due to arecent policy change, between 2016 and 2017, once you have “negative experience” with Barclays, it’s forever. They won’t allow me to reallocate credit limits, convert cards, or agree to open a new account if I closed one of the other open accounts.

Leonardc2
Leonardc2

Unlikely that a premium card will afford you the ability to get off a blacklist

Sa
Sa

Why premiere? Why not the “Barclays Arrival Reserve”?
I am going to give them a call in the morning and see if they can change it.

NinjaX
NinjaX

agreed. Barclays needs to up their game. if they dont like your suggestion, ask them about “Barclays Late Arrival Prestige+”. i am sure they will like that one.

Sa
Sa

Haha

ed
ed

i forget how much we had to spend on the CSR before the bonus would hit. If this new card from Barclays is true than the spending should not be more than that or most of us will laugh it off. I still have my CSR, but give me a decent bonus of at least 100k for spending 5k on this rumored new card AND 2 points on all spend (if they don’t devalue the points), some annual perks like travel credits and lounge access to help offset the annual fee and I’d spend and keep this new card. You have to grab customers first with an enticing offer if you expect them to bother to apply and then go further to expect high retention.

Charlie
Charlie

The original 100,000 offer on the CSR was for spending $4,000 in 3 months.

ed
ed

thanks! If this new rumored card has a similar bonus and spend requirement it will get social buzz, applicants and ultimately retention. Chase did well. We’ll see if Barclays/card gets any traction at all.

ST
ST

My guess…Card comes with 30,000 point sign up bonus. Points worth .01 cents a piece. Card offers 1.5% cash back. 150 USD annual fee not waived. 15,000 point bonus after 15,000 USD. 15,000 USD in spend also generates 225 USD in normal gain.
Guess is based upon the Mastercard inter-change rates. I have no insider info, and never heard of the card before this morning.

Dave
Dave

I would be astonished if the signup bonus wasn’t ant least 40,000… although I would expect 50k

MarcoPolo
MarcoPolo

Yeah. That’s my guess too based on AF of $150.
The 15,000 point bonus after $15,000 spend etc appears to make it a keeper.

Leo
Leo

To make it better than a regular 2% card, you’d need to spend $15k to make back the $150 annual fee; then it becomes a 3% card with the 15,000 at $15,000 (once you hit the $15k). Unless they find a way to make points worth more, I’m not sure how this becomes a keeper. Now, if they’d add a travel reimbursement to offset the annual fee…

TNT
TNT

well, if they are transferable to AA, and if AA was worth 1.5 cpm, and every dollar = 2x pts, then at $15,000 spend, you would be ahead of a 2% card.

Example:

1) $15,000 x 2% = $300
2) $15,000 x 2x = 30k pts + (15k pts bonus) = 45k pts
45k pts transferred to AA at 1.5cpm = $675 worth of miles

$675 – $150 annual fee = $525

So you’re ahead $225, which equals to the
15k bonus x 1.5cpm = $225.

[Assuming you transferred to AA and you value them at 1.5cpm] – The funny thing about this card is that it follows this trajectory:

1) It’s less than a 2% card up until $15k spend (at $14,999 spend, it’s like a 1.9998% card)

2) at $15k spend, it’s a 3.5% card – it’s highest

3) after $15k spend, it becomes a 3% card.

So, the maximum value for the card would be at the $15k spend level.

TNT
TNT

Oh, I forgot to add that you get a 10,000 bonus at the $25k spend level. So,

4) at the $25k spend level, you’d get another 10k bonus, making your total bonus 25k. Plus, you get 2x miles, so your $25k nets you 75k AA miles. At 1.5cpm, that equals $1,125. Minus $150 annual fee = $975 giving you a return of 3.9%.

So, even with the $150 annual fee, you can get 3.9 cpm by spending $25k every yr.

AND, if you value Global Entry/Precheck, you’d be getting over 4cpm on everyday spend!

Joe Camel

“15,000 bonus points after $15,000”
If that is not a typo all I can say is…. lol

Chucks
Chucks

If it’s otherwise a 2.2x card then it’s pretty attractive to someone with a decent amount of spend not churning aggressively.

Leo
Leo

But with a $150 annual fee. That erases the extra 1% for the first $15k of spending.

Cheapblackdad
Cheapblackdad

Remember the social media buzz around the CSR and how chase didn’t even have to spend much to advertise the card? Sounds like Barclaycard won’t be Getting anywhere near that same amount of buzz with the sign up bonus of 15k for 15k spend. Edit: apologies, this is an annual spend bonus. Sounds like we are still waiting on details of sign up bonus. Hopefully it’s good enough to creste something similar to the aforementioned CSR social media buzz.

If the above sign up bonus details are true this one sounds like a stinker. We’ll see if there are transfer partners and travel credits that make this better, but given current details this won’t make much of a splash if the sign up bonus of basically 1 pt per dollar is indicative of how they plan to handle things.

Gerald
Gerald

Given the much lower annual fee, I don’t think they’ll offer a signup bonus anywhere near CSR’s, even the current 50K.

AL
AL

+1

Chuck n
Chuck n

Typical A+ offer is 40k with 50k being offered pretty often. No reason to think the signup bonus would be less than 40k.

Trippy
Trippy

Wonder if they would consider it a different line from Arrival+, or end up converting them.

My Arrival+ is still open and I am hoping to be eligible for this.

Bryan
Bryan

+1

Brian
Brian

Terms in the screenshot say you may not be eligible if you have or have had any cards in the Arrival line. I wonder how far back they go for closed accounts?

Weston Petkovsek
Weston Petkovsek

I wouldn’t be surprised if they offer this in the same manner as they offer their AAdvantage Silver Aviator Card. Not open for direct apps, only available as an upgrade to existing cardholders of the same card type.

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