Posted by William Charles on July 1, 2019
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Published on July 1st, 2019 | by William Charles

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Recap: Flying Around Japan For 5k Each Way, Outsourced Software & More

 

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ADP
ADP

I’m glad issues with the H1-B are (somewhat) referenced in the Bloomberg article. I don’t personally blame people who are just taking advantage of a presented opportunity, but from a societal level it *does* prioritizes non-Americans over Americans for stateside jobs by competing purely on price (and as a relation yes, quality). It also further puts pressure on housing prices and other “localized” issues.

Pricing for software engineers in the Puget Sound area is significantly higher than the $35-$40 an hour noted in the article, and those numbers don’t tell us if that’s “before” or “after” the outsourcing company’s cut.

Test
Test

ADP If we ask Apple with 265.6 billion USD revenue to manufacture the iPhone in the US, perhaps it will help prioritize Americans over cheap labor from a third world country, but that won’t happen because the top management doesn’t want it.

doc
doc

When Apple starts making flying phones with passengers attached… then we can compare Apple workers to Boeing workers.

Frank

Yes it’s obviously a management problem. Weird how the same people who complain about companies manufacturing abroad then lose there mind when the prices of products increase. Not to mention the fact that they blast companies for their choices and then still buy the product….

doc
doc

But, the consumers are already largely footing the bill for the legitimate software engineers. I suspect the crux of the problem is that the executives are pocketing the difference between paying the good guys, and getting software engineering on the cheap.

Our system is broken, when the stock price of a corporation is worth more than the health and safety of the people that serve as customers to those very same corporations.

Sven Katesh
Sven Katesh

Because I know most people won’t read the article: the outsourced programmers did not work on MCAS

VK
VK

But that’s not a catchy headline. Boeing, like all other big companies, outsources mundane technical jobs to lower cost countries.

doc
doc

So, are you saying that Airbus has $9/hour temp workers working on their commercial passenger aircraft software, as well?

“Big companies,” is a Pyrrhic generalization, in regards to outsourcing jobs. We’re not talking about lacing up sneakers, here.

It absolutely matters whether the FAA and Boeing are enforcing the hiring standards of well qualified software engineers — when it comes to the safety of commercial passenger aircraft.

Jp
Jp

The headline makes it seem like it was outsourcing that caused the 737 plane crashes, even though they mention this in the same article “Boeing said the company did not rely on engineers from HCL and Cyient for the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System, which has been linked to the Lion Air crash last October and the Ethiopian Airlines disaster in March.”. This is simply using a tragedy to have a click-bait headline.

Jp
Jp

I meant the Bloomberg article headline BTW

doc
doc

The headline makes no mention of any accidents. You’re reaching. Nowadays there are plenty of daily examples of clickbait. This is not one of them. The fact that Boeing has had recent fatal accidents just makes the facts contained within the article all the more relevant.

Also, I think it’s quite Newsworthy that a major commercial jet manufacturer would hire temp workers – at a rate of just $9 per hour – to work on any part of a commercial passenger aircraft! Don’t you think such a gaffe is part of a larger trend of Boeing clearly putting money over passenger safety?

I think we’re long past the point that heads need to roll at Boeing.

By the way, clickbait, is calling a glob of inedible, flavorless gelatin — a “Jello” pool.

Gary
Gary

This is a poorly written, click-bait article chock full of rhetoric and fallacies. Please don’t recap such nonsense DOC.

Work on MCAS system was done in the USA by American engineers. American designers “determined” that not having a warning light for a failing sensor was OK, ignoring years of basic design principles. The chip that lagged when processing large amounts of emergency data – American made. None of the critical components in manufacturing, design or software were outsourced, all of it was designed/made right here in America (hell, its not even possible to hire non-citizens for key systems due to ITAR regulations).

As an R&D scientist/engineer, I am absolutely against mass outsourcing as a lot of legacy knowledge is wiped out overnight, but that is not the case here. All this article does is amp up the rhetoric and throw in a few false equivalencies instead of highlighting the actual problem: piss poor FAA oversight and Boeing’s callous Management. No amount of engineering prowess can compensate for that. Bottom line is that Boeing decided to gamble with an aircraft with shitty software/faulty sensors, FAA abandoned its responsibility and hundreds of people paid with their lives.

Frank

Seems like they should have outsourced MCAS as well…

Zaos
Zaos

Sounds like they decided to effectively get rid of the good, experienced people who know what they were doing, and replace them with people who were willing to work for less.

It’s not like senior management with backgrounds in biz can tell a difference anyway. Good enough and move fast, break things is fine for something like movies or games, but not so much for aviation.

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